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The BLNR is still on the configurator. The Rolex website is trash. You have to pick the steel then the bezel...All three bezels are still there. It wasn't in the normal catalog but the BLNR was in the master catalog. That has been confirmed. The standard catalog that people get over the counter at ADs doesn't include every single Rolex model, also, this has been confirmed in the past. A bunch of idiots went into a panic after Basel because the BLNR wasn't in the Basel press materials...meanwhile the watch was clearly displayed at Basel along with the LN and new BLRO. No watch that has been cancelled by Rolex has ever been shown at Basel in the presentation displays. Only in the history or lineage displays. If the BLNR really has stopped, I can bet my money that it is just being updated to the new movement. Same for the black LN which no-one is talking about because it isn't as popular and has always been easy to get. People are just using social media to hype things up so they can see the value of their watch go up or in hopes of reselling and making a profit. |
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01-04-2019, 10:33 AM | #25 | |
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ADs can not order or put in for the BLNR IIRC, there wasnt a rolex statement saying "16710 is discontinued" either. They did what they do, remove from catalogs/ordering, announce the replacement. we can keep rehashing this over and over, but until you show me a 2019 catalog with the BLNR, ill believe the ones Ive seen without it.
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01-04-2019, 11:22 AM | #26 | |
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They never discontinued but your logic for the 16710 is flawed as it was obvious with the coming of the 116710 with the then new 3186 movement that only a few 16710 managed to get. |
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01-04-2019, 12:29 PM | #27 |
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I agree there is a ton of BS going around forums and social media... the supply on SS models is indeed a bit tight but no one really knows the reason why, I do however expect it to go down significantly the moment Rolex makes some sort of announcement or change. The used market price will also go down quite a bit... I paid full price for my SUB but I think a lot of that has to do with false hype; I expect within 6 or so months to have these watches available under msrp.
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People say there's a shortage, however, if you visit grey dealers in China or anywhere else in the world or even pull up social media you will see that they have numerous quantities of all the recent releases and popular models. Where are they getting them from? Lots of rumors and chatter about what is supposedly going on with the most popular theory being the economy jumped up and so did demand, a demand that Rolex didn't expect and one which came right at the time a new movement was being introduced while at the same time coexisting with current products. Example...GMT2's using both 3186 and 3285 movements....that takes a lot of coordination to retool the factory in between batches, also the two BLROs using the same bezel but in different metals...the Datejust switched movement and bracelets, discontinuation of the ladies 26mm and updating all 28mm and 31mm Datejusts and ladies DJ president models, etc etc.. It may seem easy because Rolex is highly mechanized but look at how long an individual color from BMW takes and all they have to do to reprogram the robots for just a few or just one car, that gives an idea. Either way, no clear answers, but as for shortage, I honestly don't believe it. You want shortage, look at a 5711, ss is precious metal for Patek. But hop over anywhere in the world for second hand or grey sales and you will see any model you want in abundance with the exception of two, the Rainbow Daytona and Blue dial BLRO in white gold, both in production for a ridiculously short time. |
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01-04-2019, 03:34 PM | #29 | |
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I have seen the catalogs from the ADs i work with. there is a new gmt movement, the 3285. the current 116710ln/blnr with 3186 is not being made. If they modify the case or use the case in the new BLRO to fit the slightly bigger 3285, that is different.
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I agree, but the same could be said for many of the watch brands; however, with Rolex, your watch will retain its value better than say an Omega or Breitling.
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Rolex is the only 10k and under watch I would consider buying brand new just because the 2nd hand market for them is ridiculous. Which, is exactly what Rolex wants.
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For those who wanted a Hulk, Batman, Pepsi, Daytona...etc how many of them actually got a new watch from a AD? Last edited by Karmic Man; 01-11-2019 at 08:12 AM.. |
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To make more watches you need to higher more skilled watchmaker and invest in more equipment and inventories. A lot of people didn't think about it and think Rolex should just increase supply but it is not so simple. |
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01-11-2019, 08:47 AM | #36 | |
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2017 you could walk into most ADs, not just Rolex Boutiques, and buy a GMT LN or a Sub LN at MSRP or in some cases, slightly under if you bought a couple pieces. Starting in early 2018, all of a sudden, the normal ADs I would go to, couldnt get either for even a display model.
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I bought my 14060 M new at an AD, and could easily sell it now for more than what I paid.
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I guess the demand outstrip supply issue is now so severe that your part of the world is also affected. People used to be able to buy steel Rolex diving watches in Dubai fairly easily as most locals prefer Gold. Now recently steel watches are also out of supply there. Trusted source in one AD told me the amount of Rolex they are receiving are much less than before... Last edited by Karmic Man; 01-12-2019 at 06:59 AM.. |
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I am almost willing to bet this is all hype towards Basel (in March). There will be new versions of a few models released (or new movements) and the market will be dumped with supply... nothing else makes sense.
Even if demand doubled; you would still see Steel Subs everywhere; I don't exactly think the demand went up 10x... I just don't buy that. |
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What Must dont understand is the AD has watches in the back safe. Maybe not every model but they have a much bigger selection that they are telling you. They are not for the walk in client and won’t tell you they have anything. Spend some big cash with the store on something else and ask and sure they will disclose what they have.
I have purchased my SS Daytona and Batman at retail, no waiting, from my AD on the spot. I did spend a good amount on a custom diamond ring for my wife. I literally bought the ring and asked do you have a Daytona and they said what color would you like. They had 4 in the back. |
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I agree Ehloo. My friend is a GM at highly reputable AD in the tristate area. He has every SS sport model in the back safe. You won't see them in the front case. There for customer's who have spent several thousand on watches over the years. I purchased my SS Submariner, SS OP Datejust, and Cartier watch from him.
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Bought my 14040m from a NY AD close to 10 years ago, I'll never sell it but it's sure nice knowing it's appreciated nicely over that time. Most watches price crashes the second it leaves the store it was purchased from. Just another perk of the brand.
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I have no plans ever to sell either of my Rolex (Blue face Yatchmaster or my Explorer II). I really don’t care what their resale value is. Both watches are special to me.
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