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I agree that other changes are being made but my point is that it could be happening at the same pace that it is in the automotive industry therefore we see bigger impact across the board.
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has BMW published their ROI with BEV's? Or are we using another companies findings and applying it across the board?
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So, you decided to come on a EV forum to tout your anti-EV
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I don't plan on buying anything that's not EV unless I find some classic to restore. M50 and Fisker Ocean will join the sable as soon as they both arrive. Now I need a second charger.
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The i4 is cool. When I get more comfortable with the range and reliability, I'd drive one. I like that it's styled more traditionally than some other EV's. I'm not anti EV, I just want a taste of ICE around also. I'm a fan of both, not a fan of being exclusive to EV.
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Side note with the range, BMW uses an EPA 2 cycle test, which takes each cycle test results, deducts 30%, and takes a weighted average to compute the combined rating. The tests are: -UDDS Urban Dynamometer Driving Schedule -HWFET Highway Fuel Economy Driving Schedule In other words, the i4 M50 would have seen 385miles on average in their controlled test environment, but instead of continuing to go another 3 cycles to get an alternative deduction factor (and more favorable on-paper EPA #), BMW and many other german manufacters use this method and hence why BEV's such as the Taycan can see more than 30% of their EPA estimated range without even trying. I have high hopes for the i4's range once we see real-world tests by owners conducted in at 70*F temps. The 5 cycle tests (such as the one Tesla mostly uses), has 3 low speed cycles, one mid speed cycle, and one aggressive low/aggressive high speed cycle. The 5 cycle tests favor BEV's for range because 4 out of the five is right where EV's thrive, but my understanding of this 5 cycle test is that owners rarely see EPA ranges out of their own vehicles.
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My household currently has a 550i and an S6. The M50 will replace one when it arrives (haven't decided yet) - the EV will be my commuter car (taking a new job and expecting ~60 mi roundtrip/day) so will be perfect. The other car will be perfect for the other person / road trips |
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I'm not arguing there isn't a market for EV. There very obviously is. What I and others are arguing is that there is also a market of consumers that don't want to make that switch, cars aren't really the problem, and regulatory steps to "look like we're doing something" are forcing the industry to move at a faster pace than it might otherwise move.
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