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      05-22-2019, 05:15 PM   #683
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A bare bones Cayman S PDK is 3054lbs and equipped like a Supra easily over 3100lbs so its not like the Cayman is a featherweight.

Add in the Supra has a far far far better engine and is $20k cheaper than a stripper S model I'd say the Supra is doing pretty well for itself and the weight is easily forgivable.
The 981 or the 718?

Both engines are seemingly bulletproof these days....and the both Cayman versions have a rep as being one of the best pure sports cars on the road.

I'd much rather have a base Cayman 981 or 718 over the hideous looking Supra

Looks are subjective, so some may like it, but most think it's fugly af

Looks nothing like what they used for the prototype....it's like one of those
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      05-23-2019, 12:17 PM   #684
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The 981 or the 718?

Both engines are seemingly bulletproof these days....and the both Cayman versions have a rep as being one of the best pure sports cars on the road.

I'd much rather have a base Cayman 981 or 718 over the hideous looking Supra

Looks are subjective, so some may like it, but most think it's fugly af

But this is just my opinion
I was quoting brand new Cayman weights and prices.

Any regardless of "bulletproof" the Cayman engine is a turbo 4 banger vs an inline 6 for the Supra.
The inline 6 is a smoother better performing and sounding engine in every way possible with much more room for growth.

As for looks yeah the Cayman is a good looking car but is also generic in regards to the same basic porsche look they've had for decades.

The Supra is an acquired taste but its far from generic or common.

Personally I'd choose the better engine for $25k+ less all day long.
Heck I could buy a brand new Supra and then go buy a used 981, for the same price as a new Cayman S, and have my cake and eat it too!!!
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I will admit that it isn't as sexy as the concept, and some areas could use improvement. (Mirrors, wheels, needs a wing & see through hood from the FT1 would be nice). However, at the same time it is a $50k car. Either way, imo, its no where near the hideous level of the R35 GTR.
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I will admit that it isn't as sexy as the concept, and some areas could use improvement. (Mirrors, wheels, needs a wing & see through hood from the FT1 would be nice). However, at the same time it is a $50k car. Either way, imo, its no where near the hideous level of the R35 GTR.
And it's a good bit lighter than that ugly thing too. Never understood the appeal of the R35. Love the R33 and R34, next year will be the first one to allow R33 imports.
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And it's a good bit lighter than that ugly thing too. Never understood the appeal of the R35. Love the R33 and R34, next year will be the first one to allow R33 imports.
GTR fanboys will say function over form.

The R35 owners that I have talked with admit its no beauty queen, but they brought it for the performance.
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In the Bimmers enthusiasts forum, the most talked about vehicle is the Toyota Supra
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In the Bimmers enthusiasts forum, the most talked about vehicle is the Toyota Supra
better than new X1 and its more than half BMW in the end..
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C&D just compared the new base Z4 to a base Boxster and chose the Boxster. They noted the weight difference in particular. They also said the Z4 was a damned fine car and were it not for the excellence of the Boxster it would be a standout.

I find it odd that BMW chose to let Toyota go first with the big power.
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C&D just compared the new base Z4 to a base Boxster and chose the Boxster. They noted the weight difference in particular. They also said the Z4 was a damned fine car and were it not for the excellence of the Boxster it would be a standout.

I find it odd that BMW chose to let Toyota go first with the big power.
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Z4 M40i has 385hp while the Supra has 335hp
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C&D just compared the new base Z4 to a base Boxster and chose the Boxster. They noted the weight difference in particular. They also said the Z4 was a damned fine car and were it not for the excellence of the Boxster it would be a standout.

I find it odd that BMW chose to let Toyota go first with the big power.
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Z4 M40i has 385hp while the Supra has 335hp
Buy the M40i hasn't been released (in the US) yet. Of course neither has the Zupra.
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Buy the M40i hasn't been released (in the US) yet. Of course neither has the Zupra.
Not sure where you heard that, but I took delivery of my z4 M40i over a month ago
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Buy the M40i hasn't been released (in the US) yet. Of course neither has the Zupra.
Then why are there currently 191 Z4 M40i available in the US on Cars.com?
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Lighter, manual transmission, TRD 86 = more fun.....

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Buy the M40i hasn't been released (in the US) yet. Of course neither has the Zupra.
Not sure where you heard that, but I took delivery of my z4 M40i over a month ago
In the linked article. Sounds like the 30i was released first. Makes sense that both are out now since the article was probably written months ago.
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Lighter, manual transmission, TRD 86 = more fun.....

No it isn't. A Miata is. But a GT86 is a hot mess of bad steering, cheap interior and a huge torque dip at 4,500 rpm that Subie and Toyota refuse to address. It also likes to lean itself out under track use because of the Toyota developed dual mode injection.

It should be a great car, but I've extensively driven both versions both before and after LCI and would take an ND Miata over one every time.
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In the linked article. Sounds like the 30i was released first. Makes sense that both are out now since the article was probably written months ago.
Yes, it was released first, but both the 30i and M40i are available now.
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Buy the M40i hasn't been released (in the US) yet. Of course neither has the Zupra.
Sure it has (M40i), my local dealer has two of them. Saw this one last night, the paint is different for sure. The price on the thing is outrageous though, the sticker was like $75k. I think these Z4s are going to see some serious, serious depreciation after 2-3 years.

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In the linked article. Sounds like the 30i was released first. Makes sense that both are out now since the article was probably written months ago.
Yes, it was released first, but both the 30i and M40i are available now.
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Buy the M40i hasn't been released (in the US) yet. Of course neither has the Zupra.
Sure it has (M40i), my local dealer has two of them. Saw this one last night, the paint is different for sure. The price on the thing is outrageous though, the sticker was like $75k. I think these Z4s are going to see some serious, serious depreciation after 2-3 years.

https://www.bmwofweststlouis.com/inv...hf9c0xlww40572
Add in the chatter of the Boxster/Cayman going back to six cylinder power for the base and S model and the fat lady is already singing for yet another BMW Z4.

When there's so much area between a Miata and a Boxster, I never understand why BMW keeps trying to attack the Boxster head on with pricing. Just aim for the middle like you did with the Z3 and first Z4. Oh, and stop making it heavier and larger.
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Sure it has (M40i), my local dealer has two of them. Saw this one last night, the paint is different for sure. The price on the thing is outrageous though, the sticker was like $75k. I think these Z4s are going to see some serious, serious depreciation after 2-3 years.

https://www.bmwofweststlouis.com/inv...hf9c0xlww40572
There will eventually be some big lease cash and very friendly residuals. It will be a replay of the lease deals on the Z4 35is dealers couldn't move.
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Add in the chatter of the Boxster/Cayman going back to six cylinder power for the base and S model and the fat lady is already singing for yet another BMW Z4.

When there's so much area between a Miata and a Boxster, I never understand why BMW keeps trying to attack the Boxster head on with pricing. Just aim for the middle like you did with the Z3 and first Z4. Oh, and stop making it heavier and larger.
Now they also have to compete with essentially themselves. A 6-cylinder Supra that starts only a couple hundred dollars from their 4-cylinder Z4 msrp.
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