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      02-28-2024, 08:30 PM   #1
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How much poke is too much poke?

I just swapped out my 792M (19x8.0, 225/40 front and 19x8.5, 255/35 rear) for some BBS wheels (19x9.5 ET25, 255/35 front and 19x10.5 ET35, 275/35 rear).

The extra rubber has definitely helped transfer the power to the asphalt much better, but do you think there's too much "poke" in the back"? I've never really understood the "ideal" place for the tires to meet the fender. Or is it the wheels? I don't even know what angle to take these photos.

I'm thinking the rear might look better if I add side skirts and a diffuser that wraps around to the side. Might make it look like it pokes less?


I'd love your input. You can be honest, I can take it.
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looks awesome!

Any need for spacers in the front due to any strut issues?

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No spacers, and so far, no rub. I have Dinan lowering springs.

I like how the front looks, but the rear looks like it “pokes” a bit, but again, I’m not sure how much is acceptable.
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I have a 330i, have a chance to buy vossen hf-5's from a guy who had them on his 340i, they are 9.5 all around, ive been killin myself trying to figure out of they will fit on the fronts on my car.

they are ET35 all round also
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I have a 330i, have a chance to buy vossen hf-5's from a guy who had them on his 340i, they are 9.5 all around, ive been killin myself trying to figure out of they will fit on the fronts on my car.

they are ET35 all round also
I have 19x9 HF5s on my M340 with a 245/40/19, and I think I'm rubbing on the strut. I'm going to take a look underneath, but I think it rubs about 70% wheel turn.
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I tend to prefer a conservative approach to wheels and tires.

In my opinion, both ends poke more than I would like. In addition the tires seem stretched. You went 1.5" wider on the front wheels, 2" wider on the rear, but only 30mm(f) and 20mm(r) on tire width.

But - your opinion matters the most.
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I tend to prefer a conservative approach to wheels and tires.

In my opinion, both ends poke more than I would like. In addition the tires seem stretched. You went 1.5" wider on the front wheels, 2" wider on the rear, but only 30mm(f) and 20mm(r) on tire width.

But - your opinion matters the most.
Ok so I’m not going crazy! It definitely looks like that to me. I actually don’t mind the front, but the rear looks odd to me. I probably should have gone 285/30 in the back. Or maybe I should have gone with wheels 0.5 inches less wide.
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I have 19x9 HF5s on my M340 with a 245/40/19, and I think I'm rubbing on the strut. I'm going to take a look underneath, but I think it rubs about 70% wheel turn.
The guy im buying them off of has a 340, hes running a 5mm spacer in the front, they are on 255 tires, he claims there is zero rubbing. Should i say BS or believe him haha.

If i believe him...since i cant find any info out there on this set up, would that even fit the 330? are they the same as the 340? noob here sorry lol
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The guy im buying them off of has a 340, hes running a 5mm spacer in the front, they are on 255 tires, he claims there is zero rubbing. Should i say BS or believe him haha.

If i believe him...since i cant find any info out there on this set up, would that even fit the 330? are they the same as the 340? noob here sorry lol
I think it depends on the total offset, the size and brand of tire, the width of the wheel, and the suspension height.

My car has Dinan springs, the front wheels are 19x9.5, ET25, tires are 255/35, and I don’t have any rubbing. 2020 M340i
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does poke mean the sidewall sticking out past the fender line, or does it mean the rim sticking out past the fender line

usually the sidewall is wider than the rim

i have 18x9 ET25 (it's actually ET35 but with 10mm spacers) square set up running 245 40 18

i'm not sure i like the look of it, looks like a boy racer. i don't think the rims are past the fender line but the sidewall of the tires are

PS 9" is perfect for the Michelin PS4 245 40 18, they are not even the slightest stretched, these rubbers are wide!
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does poke mean the sidewall sticking out past the fender line, or does it mean the rim sticking out past the fender line

usually the sidewall is wider than the rim

i have 18x9 ET25 (it's actually ET35 but with 10mm spacers) square set up running 245 40 18

i'm not sure i like the look of it, looks like a boy racer. i don't think the rims are past the fender line but the sidewall of the tires are

PS 9" is perfect for the Michelin PS4 245 40 18, they are not even the slightest stretched, these rubbers are wide!
Like your first statement, I too wasn’t sure what “poke” actually means, but this looked off to me. I’m not thrilled. I think I went too wide or have to little offset.
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but it drives like on rails lol, so much better than stock. but it has a little bit of "poke"
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I have a 330i, have a chance to buy vossen hf-5's from a guy who had them on his 340i, they are 9.5 all around, ive been killin myself trying to figure out of they will fit on the fronts on my car.

they are ET35 all round also
This is my HF-5 20x9.5 et 25 front no spacer and no rubbing and 20x10.5 et 45 rear no spacer, no rubbing on Adaptive m suspension and M performance bbk xdrive
Tires 245/35 /20 95Y XL FRONT
275/30 R20 97Y XL REAR

Should give u an idea what yours would look like but my front offset is 25 and flushed no poke and clears the thicker shocks

Sorry I don’t mean to bombard the post just helping OP out.
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This is my HF-5 20x9.5 et 25 front no spacer and no rubbing and 20x10.5 et 45 rear no spacer, no rubbing on Adaptive m suspension and M performance bbk xdrive
Tires 245/35 /20 95Y XL FRONT
275/30 R20 97Y XL REAR

Should give u an idea what yours would look like but my front offset is 25 and flushed no poke and clears the thicker shocks
So sick! thats what i expect them to look like. Problem is the guy who had them on his 340 doesn't remember the offset, he thinks they are 35 which wont work i don't think with my 330, but then again im a noob
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I just swapped out my 792M (19x8.0, 225/40 front and 19x8.5, 255/35 rear) for some BBS wheels (19x9.5 ET25, 255/35 front and 19x10.5 ET35, 275/35 rear).

The extra rubber has definitely helped transfer the power to the asphalt much better, but do you think there's too much "poke" in the back"? I've never really understood the "ideal" place for the tires to meet the fender. Or is it the wheels? I don't even know what angle to take these photos.

I'm thinking the rear might look better if I add side skirts and a diffuser that wraps around to the side. Might make it look like it pokes less?


I'd love your input. You can be honest, I can take it.
The rear probably has about 10mm too little offset meaning that a 10.5" with ET40-45 might work better by reducing that poke down by 5-10mm. As far as wheel widths, the 9.5 with 255/35 and 10.5 with 275/35 are perfect -- same setup I had on my E90 M3 and those wheel sizes support the tires perfectly, feel nice and taught and are still 0.5" less than the specified wheel width range maximum for each size.

I just did a quick calc using Apex wheel fitment guide. Their 10" rear wheel is ET38. A 10.5" wheel is 0.5" or 12.7mm wider; dividing that by two gives 6.35mm extra width on both sides of center compared to a 10" wheel. So their 10" rear front spacing (side facing outward) would be 3mm + 6.35mm less than your 10.5" wheel. The 3mm is offset difference (38-35). So the perceived "poke" on an Apex 10" rear wheel would be 9.35mm less (further in) than your setup. Aesthetically and perhaps functionally (i.e clearance with full range of suspension travel), Apex is likely in the right spot.
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The rear probably has about 10mm too little offset meaning that a 10.5" with ET40-45 might work better by reducing that poke down by 5-10mm. As far as wheel widths, the 9.5 with 255/35 and 10.5 with 275/35 are perfect — same setup I had on my E90 M3 and those wheel sizes support the tires perfectly, feel nice and taught and are still 0.5" less than the specified wheel width range maximum for each size.

I just did a quick calc using Apex wheel fitment guide. Their 10" rear wheel is ET38. A 10.5" wheel is 0.5" or 12.7mm wider; dividing that by two gives 6.35mm extra width on both sides of center compared to a 10" wheel. So their 10" rear front spacing (side facing outward) would be 3mm + 6.35mm less than your 10.5" wheel. The 3mm is offset difference (38-35). So the perceived "poke" on an Apex 10" rear wheel would be 9.35mm less (further in) than your setup. Aesthetically and perhaps functionally (i.e clearance with full range of suspension travel), Apex is likely in the right spot.
Could not have said it better myself! Good knowledge!
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The rear probably has about 10mm too little offset meaning that a 10.5" with ET40-45 might work better by reducing that poke down by 5-10mm. As far as wheel widths, the 9.5 with 255/35 and 10.5 with 275/35 are perfect -- same setup I had on my E90 M3 and those wheel sizes support the tires perfectly, feel nice and taught and are still 0.5" less than the specified wheel width range maximum for each size.

I just did a quick calc using Apex wheel fitment guide. Their 10" rear wheel is ET38. A 10.5" wheel is 0.5" or 12.7mm wider; dividing that by two gives 6.35mm extra width on both sides of center compared to a 10" wheel. So their 10" rear front spacing (side facing outward) would be 3mm + 6.35mm less than your 10.5" wheel. The 3mm is offset difference (38-35). So the perceived "poke" on an Apex 10" rear wheel would be 9.35mm less (further in) than your setup. Aesthetically and perhaps functionally (i.e clearance with full range of suspension travel), Apex is likely in the right spot.
This is SUPER helpful! I probably should have gone ET45 in the rear, and maybe 28 up front.

I'll update the photos once I put these side skirts on. I'm hoping it'll help in some sort of optical illusion type of way. LOL.
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