09-09-2019, 02:56 PM | #23 | |
Banned
408
Rep 334
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
2
stein_325i25104.50 Sedan_Clan25199.50 |
09-09-2019, 03:03 PM | #24 | |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
1
Sedan_Clan25199.50 |
09-09-2019, 03:14 PM | #25 |
Law Enforcer
25200
Rep 22,306
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Demographics vary for sure, but it is true that people do reach above their means much of the time. There's probably more crappy credit out there than there is good credit, and that's largely due to bad money management and over-extension.
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-09-2019, 03:19 PM | #26 |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
|
Appreciate
1
Sedan_Clan25199.50 |
09-09-2019, 03:46 PM | #27 | |
Banned
408
Rep 334
Posts |
Quote:
FYI, this dealership is located in the the silicone valley, where there is supposedly lots of wealth... but I stand by my general/observed opinion that most people spend their money just as fast as they can make it and don't have the financial intelligence and wherewithal to accumulate wealth. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-09-2019, 03:58 PM | #28 | |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-09-2019, 04:08 PM | #29 | |
Law Enforcer
25200
Rep 22,306
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
1
Wmzorba09327.50 |
09-09-2019, 04:14 PM | #30 | |
Colonel
2003
Rep 2,499
Posts |
Quote:
That still makes BMW one of the best complete packages, though. Sure Alfa is sportier, but who wants to drive that unreliable hunk of junk every day? Sure the Audi has a nice interior, but it's not fun to drive. The Mercedes is a good car but it has a different character from the BMW. The G70 is a great car but the BMW is better overall, you just have to pay more for it. So why does everyone interpret this as a bad review? It's not. It's just indicative of how BMW is no longer the only sport sedan game in the industry. Others have caught up on the formula. As a consumer, that's a GOOD thing. That keeps BMW on its toes and keeps pricing competitive. |
|
Appreciate
1
Transfer5260.00 |
09-09-2019, 04:17 PM | #31 | |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
2
530iDriver1707.50 premier3is1637.50 |
09-09-2019, 04:18 PM | #32 | |
Law Enforcer
25200
Rep 22,306
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-10-2019, 11:06 PM | #33 |
Major General
9731
Rep 6,092
Posts |
The general consensus of G20 reviews have been the same: improved, but meh. It doesn't stand out in any one area like 3-series of the past did. The competition has caught up and BMW has played it safe since 2012. It's a nice car, it's desirable, but not a must-have.
__________________
Former
-2008 E90 328 black/brown -2012 Lexus IS250 black/black |
Appreciate
2
Sedan_Clan25199.50 stein_325i25104.50 |
09-10-2019, 11:09 PM | #34 | |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-11-2019, 02:14 PM | #35 |
Law Enforcer
25200
Rep 22,306
Posts
Drives: '22 Chalk Gray Porsche C2S
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: ..in your rearview!!!
|
That's more or less what he said, but that has nothing to do with how it stacks up to its current competition.
|
Appreciate
1
stein_325i25104.50 |
09-11-2019, 03:22 PM | #36 | |
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
25105
Rep 8,764
Posts |
Quote:
#2 No newer generation of 3 series will ever be "the best 3 series" simply because of how much technology, safety standards, and ever growing weight and size have made new cars even more isolated from the road compared to their past generations. The G20 is good, and a big improvement from the F30, but I would never refer to it as the "best 3 series of all time," in my opinion, the Alfa Giulia is really more of a modern 3 series than the G20.
__________________
Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata
Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300 |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-11-2019, 03:33 PM | #37 |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
"More or Less". You tell me is it more of what he said or less of what he said? Because if you go back and read what was written- it is not what was conveyed.
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-11-2019, 03:37 PM | #38 | |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
Quote:
2. Your Opinion 3. Your Opinion Are you sure the reason why you're so ultra sensitive about defending the CNBC Opinion piece isn't because you wrote it? |
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-11-2019, 04:45 PM | #39 | |
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
25105
Rep 8,764
Posts |
Quote:
Even the review you cited from Top Speed, pointed out that an Alfa Giulia, and Jaguar XE are more driver oriented and handle better. I have yet seen many articles or even forum posts on here that say that the G20 is the best of all 7 generations of 3ers. Like @Germanauto said, the consensus which can be found in numerous reviews is "improved, but meh" from Road and Track, MotorTrend, Car & Driver, Auto Authority, Top Gear, etc. Drive an E21, E30, E36, E46, or E90 and you will see that while the new G20 is good, it will never match the driving dynamics and handling of these generations, so again, modern technology, increasing size and weight, most definitely make cars more isolated than ever. That is most definitely a proven fact. There's a reason that the 3 even in its newest generation is still losing comparison tests. Cars like the Giulia, ATS, G70, C43, XE, Model 3, have all caught up to BMW and some have even surpassed it in driving dynamics. The Alfa is one of the most fun compact sports sedans on the market today, which while an opinion, its one that has been shared by many from, with the Giulia receiving critical acclaim for its great chassis, handling and steering feel. While I agree with the article, I don't care about defending it, I simply disagree more with your point about the G20 being the best 3 series of all time, because... its not. And while I didn't write the CNBC article, it echos many of the statements in the comparison test that I did write. https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1641736
__________________
Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata
Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300 |
|
Appreciate
1
wknddrivr464.50 |
09-11-2019, 05:04 PM | #40 | |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
1
530iDriver1707.50 |
09-12-2019, 09:21 AM | #41 |
Major
556
Rep 1,067
Posts |
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-economy-test/
Car magazines are so fickle. On one hand they pick and choose minor things to criticize because nobody wants to keep reading how the 3 series is back on top and untouchable. Then the very same magazine will write an article about how new 3 series is an unrivaled, amazing piece of engineering. Competition is much more interesting and sells magazines and generates clicks. It's like when the same team wins the championship year after year and people lose interest in the sport. Plus, BMW is held to such a high standard,(sometimes unfairly) that it gets to a point where we're not satisfied no matter how good of a product BMW delivers. And it's just not the car mags-Many of us on this forum are guilty of doing this as well. When i first test drove the G20 i was nitpicking every little thing about the car. But i have to stop comparing it the e46/e90 etc. BMW is trying to please every single demographic with this new car-moms, enthusiasts, daily drivers, solo commuters, families, luxury seekers, snobs, weekend drivers, etc. I think they have done an absolutely phenomenal job by literally pleasing everyone with this vehicle. It's a nearly perfect car for everyone. Most of the other competition, excels in 1 or 2 areas but doesn't offer this kind of complete package. Last edited by alpinewhite3; 09-12-2019 at 09:28 AM.. |
Appreciate
4
|
09-12-2019, 05:12 PM | #42 | |
First Lieutenant
328
Rep 356
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2019, 08:26 PM | #43 | |
Private
56
Rep 67
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
2
530iDriver1707.50 alpinewhite3556.00 |
09-13-2019, 09:12 AM | #44 | |
Captain
192
Rep 814
Posts |
Quote:
2. You still auto cross with those same tires? Bravo. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
Bookmarks |
|
|