[weingarm]

Does anyone know an approximation of what the curb weight and 0-60mph time will be on the new M3 models?

I looked up the curb weights and 0-60 sec on the 2020 M340i for a baseline.
M340i (RWD): 3849lbs 0-60 time 4.4 sec
M340i (xDrive): 3968lbs 0-60 time 4.1 sec

The numbers above are of course both with 8-speed automatics.

The new G80 M3 Pure should probably weigh less than the M340i (RWD) since it will have things like a CFRP roof, a manual transmission, and other weight-saving parts vs the M340i. That, plus an extra 62hp (444hp total) should put its 0-60sec around 4 seconds, right? Maybe 3.9 seconds?

By that logic, the new G80 M3 Base & Competition with M-xDrive, even more HP and an 8 speed automatic should put their 0-60 times WELL under 4 seconds, right? Maybe 3.6 seconds?

For reference
X3M Base 0-60 time is 4.1 with 8sp auto
X3M Comp 0-60 time is 4.0 with 8sp auto
and
2020 M4 coupe 0-60 time is 4.1 with DCT (only has 425hp)

Any guesses on M3 curb weights? 0-60 times?

[SeanWRT]

Mid 3s in the magazine test.

High 3s in the real world for the average enthusiast. But like 4s flat if you don't pay attention to build boost for 3-4 secs before pedal lift.

It will be slower than the 992 base under 100, due to pdk and weight.

[JTO24]

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll get it lighter than F80 for the RWD + manual version... the AWD version will definitely be 3800 lbs+.

0-60 for the AWD verison will most likely be mid-3s. I figure BMW claims 3.9 s for the RWD version.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by JTO24

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll get it lighter than F80 for the RWD + manual version... the AWD version will definitely be 3800 lbs+.

0-60 for the AWD verison will most likely be mid-3s. I figure BMW claims 3.9 s for the RWD version.

Insane numbers, back in the early 80s my GTI Mk1 ran 0-100km/h in 8.1 sec and it felt like a rocket Lovely car though, 800kg

[weingarm]

And if I'm not mistaken, as recently as the E46 M3, wasn't that car's 0-60 time like 4.7 seconds? Then the E90 M3 GTS was around 4.3 seconds I think. All the new G80 M3 models (Pure, Base, Competition) will probably have published (aka conservative) 0-60 times at or UNDER 4 seconds!

All this despite rising curb weights due to increased size, safety equipment, tech, etc.

From a Car and Driver review in 2010 (first E46, then E90 GTS):

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

...But like 4s flat if you don't pay attention to build boost for like 3-4 secs before pedal lift.

This might not be as much of an issue if they use a second battery like the recent released confirmed they'll be doing in the M440.

['Cane]

Who knows, but C&D got an X3M to 0-60 in 3.3, so I would imagine the G80/G82 could do at least that, maybe even 3.1-3.2

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...sting-0-to-60/

“In our testing, the X4 M and X3 M, both equipped with M’s Competition package, rocketed their way to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds. That time makes the pair a tenth of a second quicker than the last performance-package-equipped Porsche Macan Turbo we tested, although that wasn't the refreshed 2020 model, which gets more power.“

[weingarm]

Originally Posted by weingarm

And if I'm not mistaken, as recently as the E46 M3, wasn't that car's 0-60 time like 4.7 seconds? Then the E90 M3 GTS was around 4.3 seconds I think. All the new G80 M3 models (Pure, Base, Competition) will probably have published (aka conservative) 0-60 times at or UNDER 4 seconds!

All this despite rising curb weights due to increased size, safety equipment, tech, etc.

From a Car and Driver review in 2010 (first E46, then E90 GTS):

Followed by the F80 M3 quoted by BMW at 4.1 seconds (manual) and 3.9 seconds (DCT) which of course were both RWD.

[OF Hero]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

Who knows, but C&D got an X3M to 0-60 in 3.3, so I would imagine the G80/G82 could do at least that, maybe even 3.1-3.2

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...sting-0-to-60/

“In our testing, the X4 M and X3 M, both equipped with M’s Competition package, rocketed their way to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds. That time makes the pair a tenth of a second quicker than the last performance-package-equipped Porsche Macan Turbo we tested, although that wasn't the refreshed 2020 model, which gets more power.“

That's a reasonable guess, and kinda makes me worried that it will end up pricing the car out of the range that at least made the F80 such a price/performance bargain at the time.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by unfoundnemo

This might not be as much of an issue if they use a second battery like the recent released confirmed they'll be doing in the M440.

For one, it's a big IF, because we can't assume it is being mass implemented, as evidenced by the lack of it with new petrol B48 G22.

Secondly, 48V at current stage is not able to fill torque gap for a laggy 500hp application.

Lastly, a previous report on G87 M2 says it will get a mild hybrid at some point of its life circle. If the G80 gets it at debut, no reason for the G87 not to get it at launch which is at least 2 years after G80.

There is hope though I'm not holding breath for it that BMW works out a TU for the S58, whatever tech (DBB, TI turbine, shorten manifold...etc) it takes, it has to fix the responsiveness issue.

The A45 used to be the laggiest modern turbo car in the market, now it's improved and gets both low end and top end. I just can't imagine bmw is falling behind in this regard on the S58, which seems to be the laggiest turbo bmw of all time, almost drive like having a big aftermarket hybrid turbo. Responsiveness has been bmw's strong suit...

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by weingarm

And if I'm not mistaken, as recently as the E46 M3, wasn't that car's 0-60 time like 4.7 seconds? Then the E90 M3 GTS was around 4.3 seconds I think. All the new G80 M3 models (Pure, Base, Competition) will probably have published (aka conservative) 0-60 times at or UNDER 4 seconds!

All this despite rising curb weights due to increased size, safety equipment, tech, etc.

From a Car and Driver review in 2010 (first E46, then E90 GTS):

12.8 at 113... man... not impressive numbers by any means huh? Good thing the numbers aren't the only thing that matters in a car.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

Who knows, but C&D got an X3M to 0-60 in 3.3, so I would imagine the G80/G82 could do at least that, maybe even 3.1-3.2

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...sting-0-to-60/

"In our testing, the X4 M and X3 M, both equipped with M's Competition package, rocketed their way to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds. That time makes the pair a tenth of a second quicker than the last performance-package-equipped Porsche Macan Turbo we tested, although that wasn't the refreshed 2020 model, which gets more power."

That's insane .... X3M is a great vehicle. I really liked my x3 28i, can't imagine how fun the X3M is. I'd probably still land on the X5M though... closest thing we can get to an M5 wagon ...

[Bumpinjeep]

M3C X-AWD will probably get to 60 in 3.2. If the "405" hp (more like 450 hp) M2C can get to 60 in 3.9 (the 6 speed is faster than the auto), then i don't see a reason why the M3C can't be faster.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

M3C X-AWD will probably get to 60 in 3.2. If the "405" hp (more like 450 hp) M2C can get to 60 in 3.9 (the 6 speed is faster than the auto), then i don't see a reason why the M3C can't be faster.

3.9 to 3.2 is a light year difference though. When you get down to these low numbers 0.7 sec is HUGE. The X3M numbers is a good predictor though and we still end up at 3.2

If you shave off another 0.7s you reach the fastest cars in the world as the Veyron and 911 Turbo S in company with the fastest superbikes around 2.5s...so the M3 likely ends its true ICE days as fast as anyone can wish for if it truly can put down a 3.2s run.

[weingarm]

The following stats are from the December 2019 Car and Driver test of the RWD M340i.

They measured a curb weight 36lbs lower than BMW reports (3849lbs - 3813lbs = 36lbs) and a 0-60 time of 3.8 seconds (0.6 seconds faster than BMW reports).

So if the M3 Pure RWD weighs LESS than 3813lbs (manual transmission, CFRP roof, lighter weight parts, etc) and has "at least" 62hp more shouldn't we be expecting the M3 Pure to do 0-60 under 3.8?

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by weingarm

The following stats are from the December 2019 Car and Driver test of the RWD M340i.

They measured a curb weight 36lbs lower than BMW reports (3849lbs - 3813lbs = 36lbs) and a 0-60 time of 3.8 seconds (0.6 seconds faster than BMW reports).

So if the M3 Pure RWD weighs LESS than 3813lbs (manual transmission, CFRP roof, lighter weight parts, etc) and has "at least" 62hp more shouldn't we be expecting the M3 Pure to do 0-60 under 3.8?

C&D did their 0-60 with a 1 foot roll (like they always do which is why their numbers seem faster). So add .03

[weingarm]

Here are the Car and Driver stats for the M340i xDrive. They couldn't formally test it on a track (given COVID) but they estimate a 0-60 of 3.5 seconds (I see C&D does it with 1ft rollout of 0.3 sec) so that means they got 3.8 for M340i xDrive and 4.1 for M340i RWD (those are each 0.3 seconds faster than BMW's estimates.) C&D got 3.3 seconds for the X3M Comp (0.2 sec rollout) so that's really 3.5 seconds (0.5 seconds faster than BMW's estimate.)

So my best guess is the M3 Base/Competition will actually be around 3.3/3.2 seconds with the M3 Pure RWD around 3.7 seconds.

Expect BMW's published numbers for
Pure/Base/Competition
4.0/3.6/3.5 seconds

Actual numbers of
3.7/3.3/3.2 seconds

[Burrcold]

I can't see BMW listing even the pure at 4 sec. I could see 3.9/3.6/3.5

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

C&D did their 0-60 with a 1 foot roll (like they always do which is why their numbers seem faster). So add .03

Actually add 0.3, as shown in C&D’s specs...

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

M3C X-AWD will probably get to 60 in 3.2. If the "405" hp (more like 450 hp) M2C can get to 60 in 3.9 (the 6 speed is faster than the auto), then i don't see a reason why the M3C can't be faster.

^^^^^^^^^
Agree. The much heavier X3M comp did it in 3.3. I predict low 3's and low 11,s 1/4 mile for the awd version. The M340 which willl no doubt be heavier than M3 does mid 3's and high 11's 1/4 mile

Also wondering out loud if the new 48v system in the M440 will make it to the M3/M4

Already hearing new V8 on the horizon with 48V mild hybrid which is rumored to be in the forthcoming M5CS and will replace all the current V8's eventually

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Actually add 0.3, as shown in C&D’s specs...

That's what I meant...the decimal was put in the wrong place.

[Gdiddy23]

The G80 will be properly quick in any guise. M340 is already really quick. G80 will be almost super car quick and at a fair price