[pyrat15]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Wait till you see it in Black.

Sad to see that you cannot simply answer my question - is it such a secret why there is this hood line thing? Come on.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by pyrat15

Sad to see that you cannot simply answer my question - is it such a secret why there is this hood line thing? Come on.

I think Scott26 deals in the abstract and market speak.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by pyrat15

Sad to see that you cannot simply answer my question - is it such a secret why there is this hood line thing? Come on.

It's been covered elsewhere. But a quick post with the salient points.
Cost effectiveness to develop the nose cone separate from the actual bonnet For achieving safety legislation for both front impact and pedestrian safety.

[seepete753]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It's been covered elsewhere. But a quick post with the salient points.
Cost effectiveness to develop the nose cone separate from the actual bonnet For achieving safety legislation for both front impact and pedestrian safety.

So basically BMW sacrificed the appearance of the car because making it look good AND meet safety standards at the same time wasn't cost effective? Oddly enough, they seemed to figure it out that hood line on the G20 so something seems odd...

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by seepete753

So basically BMW sacrificed the appearance of the car because making it look good AND meet safety standards at the same time wasn't cost effective? Oddly enough, they seemed to figure it out that hood line on the G20 so something seems odd...

I still don't understand the whole crash safety excuse, the X7 and 7er have tall and large grills yet both have integrated hood-lines :

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I still don't understand the whole crash safety excuse, the X7 and 7er have tall and large grills yet both have integrated hood-lines :

They are higher vehicles.

[pyrat15]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It's been covered elsewhere. But a quick post with the salient points.
Cost effectiveness to develop the nose cone separate from the actual bonnet For achieving safety legislation for both front impact and pedestrian safety.

Thank you Scott. Coincidentally, I found the discussion before I even saw your reply.

Does this has to to with the fact that the F8x front is pointed more downwards compared to the E9x? If this is the case, I do not understand why on the following M5 comparison pic there isn't a hoodline on the E60, but on the F10? To me the height of the headlights, kidneys and whole front is about the same
IMHO, the F10 would have looked so much cleaner without the line... just do the small cuts between the headlights and the kidney, and between the two kidneys and there you go.

The inconsistency is the thing that confuses. Thanks in advance!

PS: are you a fan of the hoodline? Just wondering...

[Prince_of_Persia]

Good render but ugly design

[solstice]

Originally Posted by pyrat15

Thank you Scott. Coincidentally, I found the discussion before I even saw your reply.

Does this has to to with the fact that the F8x front is pointed more downwards compared to the E9x? If this is the case, I do not understand why on the following M5 comparison pic there isn't a hoodline on the E60, but on the F10? To me the height of the headlights, kidneys and whole front is about the same
IMHO, the F10 would have looked so much cleaner without the line... just do the small cuts between the headlights and the kidney, and between the two kidneys and there you go.

The inconsistency is the thing that confuses. Thanks in advance!

PS: are you a fan of the hoodline? Just wondering...

Mmmmmm...E60 M5
The last time BMW went radical worked out beautifully in my books.

[seepete753]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

They are higher vehicles.

What happened to the G20 then? Definitely not that much taller than a G22/G80/G82 will be but its hood meets the kidneys. Why did the G20 not need a hood line when the G22 needed one? Also no hood lines on M5 or M8...

[Brown598]

Originally Posted by Bmw43

How do you like my designs of the M3 / M4.

If you would like to see any other color combinations just tell me

*04.04: Thank you all for appreciating my designs. I am obviously not a pro in editing, there are certainly more talented people than me.

Since there are some people who can't get along with the big kidneys, I have created an alternative design. This is probably the direction we all expected from BMW.

I have already got used to the new design and look forward to seeing the final product.

Straight FIRE!!!

[Tallest]

I think it is fitting that the global economy looks now like the grille on this new BMW.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It's been covered elsewhere. But a quick post with the salient points.
Cost effectiveness to develop the nose cone separate from the actual bonnet For achieving safety legislation for both front impact and pedestrian safety.

Thanks Scott.. looking forward to hopefully some real life photos in June from the invite viewing of the 4er

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Thanks Scott.. looking forward to hopefully some real life photos in June from the invite viewing of the 4er

Let’s hope BMW is adaptable and able to take advantage of the current situation with more online audiences than possibly ever in our lifetimes and create something awesome for us to enjoy in form of videos and images

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by pyrat15

Thank you Scott. Coincidentally, I found the discussion before I even saw your reply.

Does this has to to with the fact that the F8x front is pointed more downwards compared to the E9x? If this is the case, I do not understand why on the following M5 comparison pic there isn't a hoodline on the E60, but on the F10? To me the height of the headlights, kidneys and whole front is about the same
IMHO, the F10 would have looked so much cleaner without the line... just do the small cuts between the headlights and the kidney, and between the two kidneys and there you go.

The inconsistency is the thing that confuses. Thanks in advance!

PS: are you a fan of the hoodline? Just wondering...

There is a general reason for inconsistency and that cannot be helped as although as an example E60 was launched in 2003. It was being finalised around 2000-2001 so legislations etc differ. In some case you have to be ahead such as example again regarding emissions. Further down the line the goal posts will change from what is current so you are working to those goals not current goals.
With F10 you are at about 2007 in initial development.
So when they launch the new 4 although it's all new in 2020. It's already around two years old internally.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by seepete753

What happened to the G20 then? Definitely not that much taller than a G22/G80/G82 will be but its hood meets the kidneys. Why did the G20 not need a hood line when the G22 needed one? Also no hood lines on M5 or M8...

Cars like the G20 and G30 are not entirely complex design forms.
THE 4 with its central Grille taking place front and centre has more complexity in regards to meeting legislation but also in a cost effective form for production.
Compare the 8 with the 2018 concept and you see the concept is far lower but the production cars is much higher. Another example is the Z4 Concept and production Z4 again the production nose is higher over the concept in regards to accommodating legislation and production costs.

[JSaid]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Cars like the G20 and G30 are not entirely complex design forms.
THE 4 with its central Grille taking place front and centre has more complexity in regards to meeting legislation but also in a cost effective form for production.
Compare the 8 with the 2018 concept and you see the concept is far lower but the production cars is much higher. Another example is the Z4 Concept and production Z4 again the production nose is higher over the concept in regards to accommodating legislation and production costs.

So you guys put a big hideous grill on the 4 to save money? Wonderful idea, cutting production costs resulted in you guys ruining one of your best sellers. Job well done

The only logic I can see behind this is "if we ruin our base M car, then people will be forced to upgrade to the m5!"

[JSaid]

Originally Posted by seepete753

What happened to the G20 then? Definitely not that much taller than a G22/G80/G82 will be but its hood meets the kidneys. Why did the G20 not need a hood line when the G22 needed one? Also no hood lines on M5 or M8...

The answer is cost cutting..... but BMW will never admit that

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It's been covered elsewhere. But a quick post with the salient points.
Cost effectiveness to develop the nose cone separate from the actual bonnet For achieving safety legislation for both front impact and pedestrian safety.

In other words, BMW decided to save money on signature M cars because only few will be sold compared to normal BMWs. That’s a great way to shoo away M customers who expect highest regard from the once respectable brand. Sad to see the company’s future being blurred by accountants.

Maybe send a few engineers to learn from AMG factories? lol:

[JSaid]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

In other words, BMW decided to save money on signature M cars because only few will be sold compared to normal BMWs. That’s a great way to shoo away M customers who expect highest regard from the once respectable brand. Sad to see the company’s future being blurred by accountants.

Maybe send a few engineers to learn from AMG factories? lol:

Yeah this things a rolling turd It may be a fast turd, but a turd none the less.

[kyrix1st]

Just because Prius is fuel efficient and good performance for city, doesn’t mean I have to accept how fugly it is.

BMW seems to be stretching the hype long after the intended release date to overshadow M3/4’s questionable design. Only for its sale to flush down the drain like the 8 series.

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

In other words, BMW decided to save money on signature M cars because only few will be sold compared to normal BMWs. That’s a great way to shoo away M customers who expect highest regard from the once respectable brand. Sad to see the company’s future being blurred by accountants.

Maybe send a few engineers to learn from AMG factories? lol:

#truth

Been sayin this for about a yr now ... sad state of affairs if that's really the case and it appears so.