[Cortexiphan]

I think the new grill design that will be on G22, G23, G80, G82 ad G83 will be striking and will make G20 look old, just like 7 series and X7 made others look old. For that rason, I would like to see a new taller-larger grill design.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

I think the new grill design that will be on G22, G23, G80, G82 ad G83 will be striking and will make G20 look old, just like 7 series and X7 made others look old. For that rason, I would like to see a new taller-larger grill design.

Don't expect such a major change to happen one year into production. Maybe in another two years when the LCI drops.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Don't expect such a major change to happen one year into production. Maybe in another two years when the LCI drops.

Remember when E90 came out and after the first year they went from 325i -> 328i and 330i -> 335i (which was a massive change in performance)?

Anything's possible, especially when it's just a piece of plastic vs. the engine itself.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by praxis218

Remember when E90 came out and after the first year they went from 325i -> 328i and 330i -> 335i (which was a massive change in performance)?

Anything's possible, especially when it's just a piece of plastic vs. the engine itself.

The physical engine did not change. Do not expect them to change the styling of the car one year into production.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

The physical engine did not change. Do not expect them to change the styling of the car one year into production.

2006 E90 330i: 255hp (probably tuned N52)
2007 E90 335i: 300hp N54 twin turbo

They did this before LCI.

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by praxis218

2006 E90 330i: 255hp (probably tuned N52)
2007 E90 335i: 300hp N54 twin turbo

They did this before LCI.

With the G20 M340 seeing an engine bump from the F30 340, I would be shocked if we saw an engine change prior to the LCI.

[Cammy440iGC]

Unless they pull an Audi...the B9 S4 came out in 2018, had refresh in 2019, and they are doing a true mid cycle refresh in for MY2020.

I think that is a sign that Audi missed the mark on the B9 S4...too bland.

Just a more bland version of the B8 that rocked with the V^ Supercharged engine and DSG tranny.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by Pauleebe

With the G20 M340 seeing an engine bump from the F30 340, I would be shocked if we saw an engine change prior to the LCI.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying a minor cosmetic change like a grill is much easier than swapping to a new engine before LCI.

They probably won't change it though since they're moving the 4 series further upmarket and this will set them apart even more.

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by Pauleebe

With the G20 M340 seeing an engine bump from the F30 340, I would be shocked if we saw an engine change prior to the LCI.

It’s a tune bump

[DocB]

The G20 M340 grill is here to stay. I agree it will start to appear on other model lines.

[Weiner0123]

The hate for the grille is getting old, Once you see it in person it's actually not that bad.... Plus there interchangeable lol my personal opinion is there not bad!! I've gotten a lot of compliments on how nice the all black mesh grille is when people see it in person

[phillyd2]

Agree about seeing the grill in person.

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by DocB

The G20 M340 grill is here to stay. I agree it will start to appear on other model lines.

We're already there with the Z4 .

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Even the grill is honestly not bad in person IMO.

I hate the grille. I hate the grey accents. I've seen them in person many times now and it's no different.

With that said . . .

Originally Posted by DocB

The G20 M340 grill is here to stay.

. . . so we may as well accept it or move on to another brand.

As for me, I'll likely order a M340 in Sapphire Black and then black out the grille and all the accents. It's really the only way to make the dang things disappear.

[Prissy]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Don't expect such a major change to happen one year into production. Maybe in another two years when the LCI drops.

But red seats and black trims are really some major changes for the US people lol.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by praxis218

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying a minor cosmetic change like a grill is much easier than swapping to a new engine before LCI.

No, it's not.

Any car is designed to accept a wide variety of engines right from the start. Every time BMW brings a new engine to market, it is designed to be compatible with most of the same cars that used this engine's predecessor. As a result, engine evolution has never matched precisely new model or LCI rollouts, and BMW simply introduces new engines as soon as they're ready (fresh examples: a single year of production for X5 and X7 with the 456hp N63 before the switch to 523hp, the upcoming upgrade to TU1 of all 4cyl and 6cyl engines in G30 a year ahead of LCI).

On the other hand, if you want to change the grill, you actually have to rework the car itself. A different grill size means changing most of the front end parts, new crash tests, aerodynamics tests, cooling system verification. This is a complicated and expensive process that will not bring many more sales. Which is why BMW almost never touches the exterior outside of the LCI process, and even when it does it's never anything remotely as complicated as a grill redesign.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by MT4life

It’s a tune bump

No, it's not.

B58TÜ has the following changes from the original B58 (according to BMW tech documentation):

A Fuel preparation with 350 bar injection pressure
B Cylinder head with integrated exhaust manifold
C Adapted exhaust turbocharger made from steel
D Split cooling
E Coolant pump with integrated pressure relief valve
F Heat management module with electric split cooling valve
G Single-part chain drive

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No, it's not.

Any car is designed to accept a wide variety of engines right from the start. Every time BMW brings a new engine to market, it is designed to be compatible with most of the same cars that used this engine's predecessor. As a result, engine evolution has never matched precisely new model or LCI rollouts, and BMW simply introduces new engines as soon as they're ready (fresh examples: a single year of production for X5 and X7 with the 456hp N63 before the switch to 523hp, the upcoming upgrade to TU1 of all 4cyl and 6cyl engines in G30 a year ahead of LCI).

On the other hand, if you want to change the grill, you actually have to rework the car itself. A different grill size means changing most of the front end parts, new crash tests, aerodynamics tests, cooling system verification. This is a complicated and expensive process that will not bring many more sales. Which is why BMW almost never touches the exterior outside of the LCI process, and even when it does it's never anything remotely as complicated as a grill redesign.

Gotcha. So 0% chance of the enlarged vertical grill from the 4. If they wanted to rework the grill pattern but keep it the same size would it be difficult?

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by praxis218

Gotcha. So 0% chance of the enlarged vertical grill from the 4. If they wanted to rework the grill pattern but keep it the same size would it be difficult?

I think BMW acknowledged the 4 series would deviate from the 3 series design more than the previous generation. To me, this means even if the 4 series gets this design feature, the 3 series probably won't.

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by hinckley

As for me, I'll likely order a M340 in Sapphire Black and then black out the grille and all the accents. It's really the only way to make the dang things disappear.

This one

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

This one

That one (probably without the black wheels though).

I'm just waiting for Individual merino leather interior options now.

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No, it's not.

B58TÜ has the following changes from the original B58 (according to BMW tech documentation):

A Fuel preparation with 350 bar injection pressure
B Cylinder head with integrated exhaust manifold
C Adapted exhaust turbocharger made from steel
D Split cooling
E Coolant pump with integrated pressure relief valve
F Heat management module with electric split cooling valve
G Single-part chain drive

It's still B58. If it was a drastic difference it'd be given a new name like from N55 to B58. Think of it as iOS 12.1 and 12.2 it's not 13.1