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      10-23-2018, 02:11 AM   #133
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To be frank, I find the entire front-end of this car ghastly.
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      10-23-2018, 07:06 AM   #134
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I don't quite understand how the Italian masters of design
can come up with something so horrendous lol
it must have been a directive from the corporates
I guess the predecessors of the existing Giulia design..
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      10-23-2018, 08:54 AM   #135
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I don't quite understand how the Italian masters of design
can come up with something so horrendous lol
it must have been a directive from the corporates
I guess the predecessors of the existing Giulia design..
The 156s and 159s were praised for their looks over here; just goes to show the vast chasm that exists in tastes and expectations.

I mean, you think the Guilia is the most beautiful (and reliable!) car on God's green earth, whereas I think the front end was inspired by an Esdel and a knocking shop, and I'm not the only one who thinks its headlight droop came off the previous BMW 1 series
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      10-23-2018, 01:29 PM   #136
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Wow that looks huge. Maybe in person it wont look so bad but those pics do it no justice
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      10-23-2018, 02:21 PM   #137
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looks like there is a quite a bit of body roll
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      10-24-2018, 10:10 PM   #138
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The ONLY thing that is growing on me is the headlights, but then you zoom out and it's part of this clusterfuck of a design that makes no sense.

The only thing that will save this car is it's driving characteristics. If this car doesn't have them, or it drives the same as an F30 then BMW will loose a HUGE chunk of their buyers.

To be honest, I'm not convinced this will sell like hot cakes. The general buyer out there is a "badge buyer" and I think Mercedes has a lot of that going on right now. And when the general consumer sees this car in person I think a lot are going to sway to Audi or Mercedes just because their competing cars look "more put together"
I've been saying this 100%
This is FACTS !
If this car drives / FEELS anything like the F30 , well then looks like the C class will continue outselling it for years to come ... unfortunately.
It's a hard pill to swallow for any true BMW enthusiast right now considering the C43 looks amazing compared to this Kia.
I think they will have an amazing opportunity with the LCI but right now considering the engine is directly from the F30 ... It's hard to stay positive.
Who knows 😶
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      10-25-2018, 09:43 AM   #139
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Even that doesn't move the game on from the design of the 156 and 159. Lovely looking cars, that didn't unfortunately much move the game on for Alfa in reliability terms. However, as the 156, 159 (and 166, Brera, Coupe, 146, 147, Mito and Guilietta) didn't make it to north America, some people think that those cars didn't exist, and I just made them up.

OK, joking. You missed some great-looking but sub par cars, such as these:



I see a; Mitsubishi Galant/2005 Acura TL, a Mazda 6, and some hybrid between any late model Lincoln sedan and the outgoing Volvo S80. All with the alfa front clip.

None that do it for me like the SZ. Will look at a Stelvio QV though to replace my X3 35i next year.
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      10-25-2018, 01:35 PM   #140
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I have to say automakers make some lackluster to ugly cars these days
is there any excuse for this stuff.. and I'm not talking just the sport sedan segment
like the KIA stinger.. they need to break into this segment and got nice driving dynamics but imo the looks are lacking
alot of the cars I see on the street.. UGLY or just plain uninspiring
look at the giulia..
Curious, what vehicles or sport sedan or coupe segment design do you think is nice?
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      10-25-2018, 02:49 PM   #141
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Curious, what vehicles or sport sedan or coupe segment design do you think is nice?
I am biased and of course put my money where my mouth is
and its a complicated subjective topic
but here is what I would rank (external design only)

BMW F/M-sport
Porsche P
Maserati Q
mercedes C
Jaguar X
infiniti Q
alpha guilia
genesis G
Tesla 3
lexus is
Acura T
audi A
kia stinger
cadillac A/C
Bentley
Volvo S
Lincoln

I am curious how yall would rank these.. please chime in..
(sedans)

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      10-25-2018, 05:56 PM   #142
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Looks are subjective. Especially if you've owned or been around a car for a long time. I personally think the Giulia is by far the best looking compact luxury sport sedan on the market. At first the front grille looked a bit strange, but it's such a new design element (for Americans, anyway) that it catches you off guard. Once you get acquainted to it, it grows on you.

I had a Chevy SS for a while (drives FAR better than any F30 ever made, BTW). One thing that car is NOT, is good looking. By some self-aware SS owners, we jokingly refer to it as an Impala. Some delusional owners, though, think it's a really sexy car. They're convinced it's the pinnacle of modern car design (I might be being hyperbolic there). Some even dare to compare its styling to the E39 M5. While it might drive kinda like the best M5, it certainly doesn't look like one. The general consensus is that it's at best a sedate looking American sedan.

Point is, we are not good judges of what the F30 looks like. It's not considered an ugly car by any means, but it's not usually talked about during discussions of the best looking cars. Cars like the Alfa Giulia or Infiniti Q60 are the ones that draw the most praise for styling.
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      10-26-2018, 03:32 AM   #143
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I had a Chevy SS for a while (drives FAR better than any F30 ever made, BTW). One thing that car is NOT, is good looking.
If only that car was sold anywhere else, I’d know what you were referring to . Strange that a car that amazing is not sold in 180-odd countries - one might have thought it would be given GM’s global reach...
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Point is, we are not good judges of what the F30 looks like. It's not considered an ugly car by any means, but it's not usually talked about during discussions of the best looking cars. Cars like the Alfa Giulia or Infiniti Q60 are the ones that draw the most praise for styling.
Not sure what a Q 60 is either sorry! Praise for the Guilia’s styling has been reasonably fulsome here but people still liked the F30 with its tauter and more angular styling. Not everyone gets on with that punani-ish front end... it certainly divides opinion.

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