[NGT2]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

I think you kind of missed the point of my comment:

"Stomp harder" is all the 30i needs to become a 40i on the mean streets of suburbia.

Where most of us live, we can't take advantage of the extra, wait for it, 1.5 seconds to get to 60.

And even if we were on a track, what is 1.5 seconds? Like what kind of maniac drives on public roads where 1.5 seconds is an advantage over another dad on his way to work in his family sedan with the kids in the back with a couple of soccer balls?

This is a bullshit argument. Which seems to be a character trait of yours. Which is fine.

I don’t do any drag racing. I also don’t measure my 0-60 times. Yet, I still manage to enjoy the immense amount of power at my disposal. Sometimes all at once, but somewhat rarely. Sometimes it’s passing, sometimes it’s merging, and sometimes it’s just because I can!!

None of us are utilitarian. You can talk all this shit if you want. You could be driving a Civic. But you’re not because you wanted something nicer. You could be driving a Lexus. But you’re not because you wanted something sportier. You bought a car that you like that is nicer and faster and more fun than you NEED because you wanted to ENJOY it.

You’re no better or wiser or more practical than anyone else here. We bought faster cars than you because we like them. And they’re faster.

And I’ve absolutely had times I was glad I could evade a merging tractor trailer a half second faster. But I’ll grant you, that’s a rare and unwanted occasion.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

I had several loaners with iDrive8 and dual big screens and I don't dislike them at all.

I haven't defrosted with a few swipes yet in the loaners, but I don't think it will take long to adapt.

It takes a day. That's it. A day.

And then you get used to the swipe down Shortcuts menu. And then you figure out how to configure the Climate Control properly. And then something magical happens.....

You never need to touch iDrive at all. It disappears. You're in CarPlay (same as iDrive 7) and you're using the physical steering wheel controls (same as iDrive 7) and it's like nothing happened except iDrive 7's screens got bigger and more detailed.

Those who hate iDrive 8 are those who don't own it and are afraid of technology. "Damn those pesky smartphones!" (while shaking cane at the sky).

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by madpistol

You do you, bud. I’m sure you take your car outside of suburbia at certain times, so at this point, it just sounds like copium to me.

At its core, the question of 40i vs. 30i boils down to how irresponsible a BMW owner wants to be. It has nothing to do with performance, it has nothing to do with money, it has everything to do with some immature individuals turning suburban streets into a videogame. And I'm not for that, sorry. I've got kids walking to school out there. Go to a track, fine. But on my streets? Slow down. Thanks.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by NGT2

This is a bullshit argument. Which seems to be a character trait of yours. Which is fine.

I don’t do any drag racing. I also don’t measure my 0-60 times. Yet, I still manage to enjoy the immense amount of power at my disposal. Sometimes all at once, but somewhat rarely. Sometimes it’s passing, sometimes it’s merging, and sometimes it’s just because I can!!

None of us are utilitarian. You can talk all this shit if you want. You could be driving a Civic. But you’re not because you wanted something nicer. You could be driving a Lexus. But you’re not because you wanted something sportier. You bought a car that you like that is nicer and faster and more fun than you NEED because you wanted to ENJOY it.

You’re no better or wiser or more practical than anyone else here. We bought faster cars than you because we like them. And they’re faster.

And I’ve absolutely had times I was glad I could evade a merging tractor trailer a half second faster. But I’ll grant you, that’s a rare and unwanted occasion.

It's no different than why we put the M-Sport package on our cars or get really aggressive Marvel blue paint- we want to feel like we're driving attention-getting sporty cars.

My point is that a 30i is enough for that. Sure, the 40i has got more, but that's for Germany, that's for a highway like the autobahn. Here in the US it's just a way to signal wealth/status to others. And I'm perfectly fine with that. No need to drive aggressively just because we can. Our cars do their damage sitting still.

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

I think you kind of missed the point of my comment:

"Stomp harder" is all the 30i needs to become a 40i on the mean streets of suburbia.

Where most of us live, we can't take advantage of the extra, wait for it, 1.5 seconds to get to 60.

And even if we were on a track, what is 1.5 seconds? Like what kind of maniac drives on public roads where 1.5 seconds is an advantage over another dad on his way to work in his family sedan with the kids in the back with a couple of soccer balls?

It’s about power under the curve, not 0-60. In the real world the B58 is orders of magnitude quicker than a B48, especially above 4k RPM.

[Dan B]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

At its core, the question of 40i vs. 30i boils down to how irresponsible a BMW owner wants to be. It has nothing to do with performance, it has nothing to do with money, it has everything to do with some immature individuals turning suburban streets into a videogame. And I'm not for that, sorry. I've got kids walking to school out there. Go to a track, fine. But on my streets? Slow down. Thanks.

Then why have sport mode, or a turbo, or more than about 150HP in you car. None of that is needed. Just drive the slowest car you can.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

It's no different than why we put the M-Sport package on our cars or get really aggressive Marvel blue paint- we want to feel like we're driving attention-getting sporty cars.

My point is that a 30i is enough for that. Sure, the 40i has got more, but that's for Germany, that's for a highway like the autobahn. Here in the US it's just a way to signal wealth/status to others. And I'm perfectly fine with that. No need to drive aggressively just because we can. Our cars do their damage sitting still.

I bet you and your friends are a hoot.

[jg4c]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

At its core, the question of 40i vs. 30i boils down to how irresponsible a BMW owner wants to be. It has nothing to do with performance, it has nothing to do with money, it has everything to do with some immature individuals turning suburban streets into a videogame. And I'm not for that, sorry. I've got kids walking to school out there. Go to a track, fine. But on my streets? Slow down. Thanks.

I’m trying to understand your rational here, but I’m coming up empty.

So, a BMW owner who picks a 40 over a 30 is inherently irresponsible?
Or, since I drive a 340i, I’m more inclined to be irresponsible because
I have more power than a 330i?

THAT’S some goofy logic. I see plenty of a-holes driving 200hp
shit boxes irresponsibly. Has nothing to do with the power under
the hood and everything to do with the driver behind the wheel.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by Dan B

Then why have sport mode, or a turbo, or more than about 150HP in you car. None of that is needed. Just drive the slowest car you can.

I think it depends on the prevailing driving conditions and road conditions.

E.g. around here most on/off-ramps are relatively long, with traffic usually around 60-70mph, hence 7 to 8 second cars usually are ok.

In SoCal, 110 between Pasadena and downtown have 90-degree on/off-ramps of 3 car lengths, a M2/M3 car does really well in those ramps.

Is there a saying that driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow?

[Dan B]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

I think it depends on the prevailing driving conditions and road conditions.

E.g. around here most on/off-ramps are relatively long, with traffic usually around 60-70mph, hence 7 to 8 second cars usually are ok.

In SoCal, 110 between Pasadena and downtown have 90-degree on/off-ramps of 3 car lengths, a M2/M3 car does really well in those ramps.

Is there a saying that driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow?

You missed the point of my post. TW says it is irresponsible to have a fast car. That a 30i is a more responsible choice than a 40i.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

I think it depends on the prevailing driving conditions and road conditions.

E.g. around here most on/off-ramps are relatively long, with traffic usually around 60-70mph, hence 7 to 8 second cars usually are ok.

In SoCal, 110 between Pasadena and downtown have 90-degree on/off-ramps of 3 car lengths, a M2/M3 car does really well in those ramps.

Is there a saying that driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow?

Yes I’ve heard that saying and I think it’s true to an extent, honestly. But I drive a very fast car slow, a lot. And I can also say that driving a fast car slow may not be as fun as driving a slow car fast… but it’s always satisfying knowing that power is there, feeling it at all RPM levels, and the most fun is when you get to drive the fast car fast

[CSBM5]

It's a bit amazing that the current G20 330i is just barely faster than the E90 330i from 2006, both RWD versions. The E90 is a 6MT while the G20 is ZF8 controlled. C&D instrumented tests show 0-60 in 5.6sec for the E90 and 5.4sec for the G20 330i. The 5-60mph test has the E90 winning with a time of 6.0 sec versus 6.7 sec for the G20.

1/4 miles times are very close also with the E90 at 14.3@98mph while the G20 330i yields 14.1@99.

We ordered and owned an E90 330i 6MT from early 2006 through 2019. It was a great car. Love the N52 coupled with the 6MT. Even though it was the slowest car of the 4 we owned during that time, it was still a lot of fun on backroads to wring it out. We did some private rentals at NCCAR track a few times and bought along the E90 for "slow car fun".

18 years difference in time, nearly the same acceleration performance. BMW must have their target pretty well identified for the market of 330 buyers such that any significant improvement wasn't required vs 18 years back. Of course for those that desire more from a G20 330i, hp increases are a lot easier to find versus the E90 due to the turbo (i.e. tune, downpipes, etc) even if it is a 4 cylinder.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by Dan B

You missed the point of my post. TW says it is irresponsible to have a fast car. That a 30i is a more responsible choice than a 40i.

I think having a fast car can be a responsible choice given the driver is willing to drive a fast car slow 99% of the time.

Personally I think 30i vs. 40i is a utility choice, namely, if I do get to use 40i a lot, say, at least 15-20% of the time, I would get a 40i.

[bavarianride]

G20 appears to be a platform that blends E39 refinement and E46 edginess with modern day tech like mpg, infotainment, and safety features.

The US-spec G20 330i base specifically has lots of standard features that costs a lot in yesteryears, e.g. Nav, moonroof, sports power seats, sports steering wheel, anthracite headliner, AT, sports rim, paddle shifter, wood trims, adaptive LED headlights, etc, etc. I think that is progress.

Originally Posted by CSBM5

It's a bit amazing that the current G20 330i is just barely faster than the E90 330i from 2006, both RWD versions. The E90 is a 6MT while the G20 is ZF8 controlled. C&D instrumented tests show 0-60 in 5.6sec for the E90 and 5.4sec for the G20 330i. The 5-60mph test has the E90 winning with a time of 6.0 sec versus 6.7 sec for the G20.

1/4 miles times are very close also with the E90 at 14.3@98mph while the G20 330i yields 14.1@99.

We ordered and owned an E90 330i 6MT from early 2006 through 2019. It was a great car. Love the N52 coupled with the 6MT. Even though it was the slowest car of the 4 we owned during that time, it was still a lot of fun on backroads to wring it out. We did some private rentals at NCCAR track a few times and bought along the E90 for "slow car fun".

18 years difference in time, nearly the same acceleration performance. BMW must have their target pretty well identified for the market of 330 buyers such that any significant improvement wasn't required vs 18 years back. Of course for those that desire more from a G20 330i, hp increases are a lot easier to find versus the E90 due to the turbo (i.e. tune, downpipes, etc) even if it is a 4 cylinder.

[toddwalton]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I bet you and your friends are a hoot.

Originally Posted by jg4c

I’m trying to understand your rational here, but I’m coming up empty.

So, a BMW owner who picks a 40 over a 30 is inherently irresponsible?
Or, since I drive a 340i, I’m more inclined to be irresponsible because
I have more power than a 330i?

THAT’S some goofy logic. I see plenty of a-holes driving 200hp
shit boxes irresponsibly. Has nothing to do with the power under
the hood and everything to do with the driver behind the wheel.

Originally Posted by Dan B

You missed the point of my post. TW says it is irresponsible to have a fast car. That a 30i is a more responsible choice than a 40i.

Just to clarify:

What I am saying is that the 30i is already insanely fast and the 40i is another level above that. Nothing is 'needed' at this level of excess, just a matter of how much more excess one needs.

We are all irresponsible if we push things too far, not saying I am any better than the rest.

[Davg31]

toddwalton How many pants do you have? how many unused rooms? how many televisions? etc etc sterile and juvenile debate

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Just to clarify:

What I am saying is that the 30i is already insanely fast and the 40i is another level above that. Nothing is 'needed' at this level of excess, just a matter of how much more excess one needs.

We are all irresponsible if we push things too far, not saying I am any better than the rest.

You’ve been talking down to people for like 8 pages, bro.

[Seer501]

Driven vetted my entire life. I spent 6 months driving different sports cars trying to figure out what would be my best option. Purchased certified 2021 M440i drive. Have ZERO regrets. We live in Little Rock and the M440 I wanted was at Global Imports, Atlanta. I have a bad hip and back and was very concerned about flying to Atlanta and driving it back to Little Rock. Packed an overnight bag just in case we needed to stop and stay over during the drive home. Didn’t have to. The seats are super comfy and the car is an overall joy to drive. Go with the M440i drive. You won’t regret it.

[Cammy440iGC]

I guess those who say those who pick M440i over 430i are irresponsible think BMW M, Porsche, Ferrari, AMG...should all just be out of business?

I drive an M440i G26 X-Drive because it can put a smile on my face. Period. But I also have neighbors that have Porsches, AMGs, Maserati's...which I am sure put smiles on their faces too. Life is short. Smile while your here.

[jg4c]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Just to clarify:

What I am saying is that the 30i is already insanely fast and the 40i is another level above that. Nothing is 'needed' at this level of excess, just a matter of how much more excess one needs.

We are all irresponsible if we push things too far, not saying I am any better than the rest.

I appreciate the reply.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t clarify anything.
You’re just adding more mud to the water.

[Dan B]

Originally Posted by toddwalton

Just to clarify:

What I am saying is that the 30i is already insanely fast and the 40i is another level above that. Nothing is 'needed' at this level of excess, just a matter of how much more excess one needs.

We are all irresponsible if we push things too far, not saying I am any better than the rest.

Nope, not even close. Pretty far from it actually. Same with the 40i. Quick yes, in insanely fast, no.

[LostInSpace]

It would be insanely fast if you normally drive like you're in a school zone.

Just sayin'.