[Ras550]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Plan on trying to do so this weekend, just have to get off work early enough. After driving the Ti Sport, I can't wait to see how the twin turbo V6 makes the car even better!

You've clearly done a lot of homework and compared most of the important models in the segment. IMHO you are still missing the latest and the greatest (by many a light year) car in this segment.

[Who's on first]

Originally Posted by Ras550

You've clearly done a lot of homework and compared most of the important models in the segment. IMHO you are still missing the latest and the greatest (by many a light year) car in this segment.

What is that?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Ras550

You've clearly done a lot of homework and compared most of the important models in the segment. IMHO you are still missing the latest and the greatest (by many a light year) car in this segment.

Referring to a Tesla Model 3???

If so, I've driven it, and I do like the handling a lot. But I'm not ready for an electric car yet. I still enjoy the feel of shifting (even through paddles) and love the noise of an engine. And i just don't like the styling inside or out of the Model 3 (Model S is the only good looking Tesla in my opinion) and really dislike touchscreens. Yes the Tesla's is more intuitive than others, but there's simply too many controls in there.

There was an interesting quote in a video I watched about the Tesla. "The model 3 is a bit like making love to a woman who's really good at it, but doesn't make any noise."

I'm excited to see the i4 and Taycan, but as of now, I don't want an electric car just yet.

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Well Bimmerpost since this made it to the front page you asked for it:
$70k, 3850 lbs curb weight, and lack of a manual an appealing enthusiast's sport sedan the G20 does not make sorry. A $55k Model 3 Performance a more appealing fun daily driver.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Ras550

You've clearly done a lot of homework and compared most of the important models in the segment. IMHO you are still missing the latest and the greatest (by many a light year) car in this segment.

go ahead, keep it a secret....

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Who's on first

What is that?

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

go ahead, keep it a secret....

SpaceX

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by BMWModel3

Well Bimmerpost since this made it to the front page you asked for it:
$70k, 3850 lbs curb weight, and lack of a manual an appealing enthusiast's sport sedan the G20 does not make sorry. A $55k Model 3 Performance a more appealing fun daily driver.

You list the g20 weight as a point of contention, but doesn't the model 3 weigh even more?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Fuller

You list the g20 weight as a point of contention, but doesn't the model 3 weigh even more?

Move the period to before the word " sorry ".

I think the point being made is if you are going to drive a boring , heavy , tech filled , gadgety appliance , you might as well save a chunk of change and get a Tesla.

[special_kae]

Not sure if this has been suggested in other replies, but have you considered a Tesla Model 3? For what you'd pay for these cars, you can get a Performance model.

Anyways, if you haven't, you should at least give it a test drive if you really can't decide. You might be surprised. I was.

- Converted ///M Fanboy

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by special_kae

Not sure if this has been suggested in other replies, but have you considered a Tesla Model 3? For what you'd pay for these cars, you can get a Performance model.

Anyways, if you haven't, you should at least give it a test drive if you're really can't decide. You might be surprised. I was.

- Converted ///M Fanboy

Yes, I have test driven the Model 3 and I did really like the way it drove, I'm just held off by certain aspects which aren't really fixable.

Exterior design just doesn't work for me, I've seen it with all colors and all different wheels, but I just really don't like the way it looks. I much prefer the Model S' design.

Interior wise, the touchscreen is intuitive, but I'd rather still have some physical knobs and buttons.

I still like to row my own gears, so I'm really set on a manual right now (especially before it dies all-together)

Lease deals last I checked weren't the best for Teslas, although that may have changed over time.

I'd love an electric car, but I think I'd rather have an electric car replace my CLS, rather than our old 3 series and Boxster. If Elon could make a Model S, with a great interior, I'd probably get that.

[DML]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Move the period to before the word " sorry ".

I think the point being made is if you are going to drive a boring , heavy , tech filled , gadgety appliance , you might as well save a chunk of change and get a Tesla.

As far as I can see there happens to be two "tempting vehicles" M2 Comp. M4Cs/Zcp. Wait that's three

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by DML

As far as I can see there happens to be two "tempting vehicles" M2 Comp. M4Cs/Zcp. Wait that's three

CS is cool and all, but expensive, and also, I know owners are gonna hate me for this, but the lack of an armrest is kind of a deal-breaker.

[DML]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

CS is cool and all, but expensive, and also, I know owners are gonna hate me for this, but the lack of an armrest is kind of a deal-breaker.

Seriously, it just might be a deal breaker

[EXE46]

Model 3 is not appealing to everyone. It's bad enough we can't get manual yet people are recommending a model 3 that has even less driver engagement than virtually all ICE. I don't want a model 3, we are all free to spend our own money however we desire. I will take my M340i over model 3, C43 et al.

As far as the value proposition compared to the Model 3. The M340I can be had new for less than 60K, mine is less than 61k Msrp. Some of these folks who cry about driver engagement and weight are the same guys who buys those 70k M340i's. Car is already heavy and they get XI, and every single option that exists adding even more unnecessary weight and then come here and complain about driver engagement.

These diatribes have always permeated online Bimmer forums. Some proclaim how great the E90 was but most weren't even around to experience an E46/E36. Back then, it was the same redundant argument. Reminiscing about the past, not everyone loved the E46, many thought then BMW had lost its way. The only good thing about the E90 was the added power in the non M models. The E46 was a better drivers car period so let's not use the E90 as the benchmark of what a modern 3 series should be.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DML

As far as I can see there happens to be two "tempting vehicles" M2 Comp. M4Cs/Zcp. Wait that's three

If you are going to try and make it three then they are M2, M4 (but for only 10 months more ) and X3M. But before I threadjjack... let's remember .. @joshuastein55 wanted 4 doors and a manual ..

[Ras550]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

Referring to a Tesla Model 3???

If so, I've driven it, and I do like the handling a lot. But I'm not ready for an electric car yet. I still enjoy the feel of shifting (even through paddles) and love the noise of an engine. And i just don't like the styling inside or out of the Model 3 (Model S is the only good looking Tesla in my opinion) and really dislike touchscreens. Yes the Tesla's is more intuitive than others, but there's simply too many controls in there.

There was an interesting quote in a video I watched about the Tesla. "The model 3 is a bit like making love to a woman who's really good at it, but doesn't make any noise."

I'm excited to see the i4 and Taycan, but as of now, I don't want an electric car just yet.

Yes, again more specifically the model 3 Performance. Not sure which one you tried. There’s a dozen reasons why both consumers and car mags love it so much. Edmunds recently called a non performance-3 the real ultimate driving machine, comparing with the 3 series, while MT called it the fastest sports sedan for track use (and faster than a Ferrrari 458). Also it outsold the 2/3/4/5 series combined by a large margin in the US.

I personally love the looks of my 3P, more than any of my bmws, which includes an E39 and an E46 ZHP.

To each their own though. If you do go with an ICE car because of the exhaust note or manual controls, I do hope you lease and not buy. ICE cars aren’t going to be worth much in a few years. See Jay Leno’s recent interview on Teslas and why he thinks there is no reason to buy a gas car today. BMW’s CEO just got fired because he messed up on the move to EVs. Under the new CEO, Mini is rumored to go all electric for 2023 MY, but BMW is a little late to the party.

[DML]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

If you are going to try and make it three then they are M2, M4 (but for only 10 months more ) and X3M. But before I threadjjack... let's remember .. @joshuastein55 wanted 4 doors and a manual ..

I've got approximately 7 months left of thought, we'll see what happens. Yes, by all means no thread jack

[special_kae]

With all due respect... I didn't ask YOU, I asked the OP.

Originally Posted by EXE46

Model 3 is not appealing to everyone. It's bad enough we can't get manual yet people are recommending a model 3 that has even less driver engagement than virtually all ICE. I don't want a model 3, we are all free to spend our own money however we desire. I will take my M340i over model 3, C43 et al.

As far as the value proposition compared to the Model 3. The M340I can be had new for less than 60K, mine is less than 61k Msrp. Some of these folks who cry about driver engagement and weight are the same guys who buys those 70k M340i's. Car is already heavy and they get XI, and every single option that exists adding even more unnecessary weight and then come here and complain about driver engagement.

These diatribes have always permeated online Bimmer forums. Some proclaim how great the E90 was but most weren't even around to experience an E46/E36. Back then, it was the same redundant argument. Reminiscing about the past, not everyone loved the E46, many thought then BMW had lost its way. The only good thing about the E90 was the added power in the non M models. The E46 was a better drivers car period so let's not use the E90 as the benchmark of what a modern 3 series should be.

[clee1982]

I don't like the look of model 3, was looking at Model S, but given the current infrastructure (no charger at the garage I park, they just start to install this year) thought was a no go, though I can definitely see the next car being electric

[Patgilm]

Originally Posted by clee1982

I don't like the look of model 3, was looking at Model S, but given the current infrastructure (no charger at the garage I park, they just start to install this year) thought was a no go, though I can definitely see the next car being electric

I agree, I don't really like the look of the Model 3 or its interior. Love the performance though. I also don't like the lease rates, they lease terribly and I don't want to own the car (or any car). Leasing a Model 3 offsets the financial benefits of having a EV. I do like the looks of the Model S a lot more but it is way more expensive.

The other thing is I like going on some trips with my car and doing so would be a pain. I don't feel like strategically planning my trips based on where a charging station is and waiting 20-30 min to charge my car. I just want to go and not worry about it.