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No one is saying hardware shouldn't be improved when needed. Why is the consensus it was the change to EPS that drastically altered the steering feel? Yes, going from hydraulic to EPS is a hardware change in of itself. Also explain why coding in GTS/CS specs into the steering system changes how the steering feels? So be specific, what HARDWARE needs to change? The entire steering system? The EPS motor? The gear assembly to different ratios? This is a serious question? You know the F80 and F30 have different steering ratios which is a result of the gear assembly (which I'm guessing you referring to as the steering box)? |
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If you're so interested in getting specific; what parameters would coding change to make a significant improvement? How would coding significantly improve feel and detail about the tires contacting the surface?
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You're complaining about steering feel it seems. That's not going to change with a quicker or slower ratio, tie rods. Again, the consensus is the change to EPS degraded that. So outside of going back to hydraulic assist, we're stuck with EPS. You improve EPS through the programming. So you either a.) replace EPS (ie your hardware change) or b.) continue fine tuning the EPS. |
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...steering-feel/ The bottom line is that BMW is pursuing mass markets and has abandoned its core of enthusiasts that helped build their brand. Some of the new models claim to restore steering feel, but in the end, none have recaptured what made this brand so great. The new G22 will be no exception. |
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But EPS is here to stay. And what's programmed into a 5-series is different than a M. Hell, the ZCP program is different than the CS. |
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EPS is indeed here to stay. The issue is that Porsche, Alfa Romeo, and (FFS!) Cadillac all make their EPS systems with much better steering feel. BMW could do it too, but they intentionally choose not to.
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Even Mazda, Honda, and some Mercedes have better EPS, like c'mon BMW. I say this a bunch, but I get that the bread and butter 330 and x3 have to be numb to the touch, but why do M cars that are literally made and targeted for the enthusiast market also numb?!?! I can't imagine many M owners are asking for numb steering!
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Also, even base models with sport pkg should have better steering feel. They can make it an option. |
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Having driven both a 3 and 5 series loaner, the steering in those felt horrible when compared to my M3. So there's definitely a difference between the steering feel of M and non-M cars |
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I didn't read thru all the pages, so maybe it's already covered somewhere.
This sounds to me the first time BMW implement 48V tech with petrol engine. And I also remember BMW commented a while ago on why they're late in 48V release and said it's because they wait and only want to use the 2nd generation 48V which is packed in the ZF gear box, instead of being belt driven and hanging on the motor, found with 1st gen 48V that Mercedes and Audi are now using. Noticeable difference would be of course the power/torque (2nd gen 20~30hp) advantage thru higher convert efficiency. more importantly a smoother power kick in. And long term reliability. From what this article says, 11hp doesn't really sound like the 2nd gen. Hope someone in the know shed some light on this topic. Thanks Sean
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I don't mind the new grill design anyway. I'm not exactly enthusiastic about it, but If these cars are great to drive and check most of the boxes, the grill wouldn't be a deal breaker. From the descriptions I've read so far, the m440i sounds like it's going to be a blast. I can only imagine the m3/4 will be that much better. |
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This is the 'M-Sport' front fascia correct?
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