[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

And what were those "better" things? Are you saying you paid money to go to the LA Auto Show and then didn't even bother to look at the new 3er? How utterly ridiculous.

Sorry OP -
I didn't pay to walk the show. As I said, I did walk right past it ... so yes I saw it.
I wouldn't buy one from what I saw.
I'm waiting for new m4 if anything
anyways.

[cDu8]

Hmmm. Noticed it has Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. Does that mean no runflats for the M340?

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

I have a hard time believing BMWNA would raise the starting price by $7000, even on an “M Sport” model. They held the line on pricing for the G20 330i. If I remember correctly (I’m pretty sure I do) the starting price for the G20 330i is the same as for the 2018 F30 330i. I’m going to guess that $56k price included some of the new options that are on that display car.

Not that hard to believe. The 2018 340 base is $49K ;; M-Sport adds $4750.
That's already more than half the difference. Also, items like leather which were optional before, might now be standard ($1450).

One thing this $56k figure could have priced in is Destination...
...another grand. Not far-fetched at all.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by cDu8

Hmmm. Noticed it has Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. Does that mean no runflats for the M340?

M cars = no runflats
I was told by BMW
but you never know ?

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by cDu8

Hmmm. Noticed it has Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. Does that mean no runflats for the M340?

ZMP usually comes with non-RFT

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by Tracus

I think what you fail to see is that by "losing their way", the majority of the comments refer to the lack of originality. Many are also upset for washing away, BMW strong icons as the angel eyes, Hofmeister kink, well defined kidney grills that where aggressive but elegant with a clean design at the same time, and not some overexaggerated bulbous crap with small kitschy "diamonds", and other specific design language elements.

In regards with "beautiful" or "ugly", please refrain from criticizing someone's else comment as beauty is a very personal factor. If a guy says in here that is beautiful I will respect his taste.

Except the grill WHICH IS UGLY !!!, I personally will not call the overall design as ugly, but kitschy, yes.
On one thread, the head design explains about the new "clean" and simple new BMW language, yet, we receive an overdone vehicle with so many crevasses and weird angles that look like shit.
This is not a design to love.
Yeah, might be a good dynamic vehicle, but a vehicle it is also an emotional purchase and this new design doesn't even come close to an emotional statement. And honestly, a car might be good, if it doesn't represent me as an individual, it doesn't reflect my taste, I don't give a shit about its dynamics.

Step this way, I have a Lexus to sell you.

You really, really are on the wrong forum, and this is the wrong brand for you.

You have an opinion, great, I respect that. Please respect mine.
For a 21 century vehicle, and for a company that pretends to be somewhere in the top, this design is underwhelming and ordinary at the most. Period.

You have an opinion, yes, but you put it aggressively and perjoratively and you are simply going to get called on it until the day you finally switch off the modem. It is the yin to your yang. "Company that pretends to be somewhere in the top"? I can practically see the steam coming out of your ears.

I do look forward to half the forum finally pissing off when their current leases expire and they all go to a competitor. At least if they decide It's a Good Day to Troll Hard, as no BMW is listed in their portfolio signature of mass-market vehicles and they come back for a little sad stirring, they can swiftly be deleted from view!

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Meh. Total Lexus out back...
don't love the front at all.
Walked right past it to look at better things on the horizon and elsewhere.

Did the M2C with the carbon fiber hood also have the carbon fiber roof?

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Tracus

And honestly, a car might be good, if it doesn't represent me as an individual, it doesn't reflect my taste, I don't give a shit about its dynamics.

You are definitely entitled to your opinion. Of course, some express their opinions in more constructive manners than others. But, with the above comment, I concur that you have definitely wandered into the wrong brand. BMW's core DNA is about dynamics. Then, they wrap some acceptable sheetmetal around it. Maybe a line bends one way or the other....so what? It your priorities go the other way, there are far more desireable brands for you.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Did the M2C with the carbon fiber hood also have the carbon fiber roof?

No.
Kinda weird hood / mask job was a bit angular up front I felt. You could feel the rise in surface also if touched.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Hmm good question. I don't think it did.

Definitely doesn’t have it.Thanks for the pics.

[bimmerfile]

My current plan is to replace my current ragtop with the 2021 (G23) M440xi ragtop. I sure hope they don't carry the G20 M340i grill over to the 4-series.

[hans007]

checked out the m340i. not impressed at all. interior is marginally better maybe but not a huge difference. the leather still feels cheap. might as well get sensatec level cheap. the grill I felt was terrible in person too.... a lot of people there were making comments about how horrible it was. I left thinking if I'm practical and just need another car in a year or two the 330i will be fine. they really better have made this drive a lot better because if it's just based on the rest of it is basically an f30 in materials and looks (or well the g20 340i looks worse than an f30 )

and if I have money I'm not getting an m3.... I'm buying the 992 911. talk about gorgeous. the wide body on every model is beautiful.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by BLU135i

So this M-performance grill is 1000% better in my opinion, and I don't see the stupid laser warning sticker anywhere. I truly hope that isn't a thing.

New kidney grills. $500 now. Lol

[ray340i]

Wonder if the kept it 5x120 ? Or went 5x112

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

Step this way, I have a Lexus to sell you.

You really, really are on the wrong forum, and this is the wrong brand for you.

You have an opinion, yes, but you put it aggressively and perjoratively and you are simply going to get called on it until the day you finally switch off the modem. It is the yin to your yang. "Company that pretends to be somewhere in the top"? I can practically see the steam coming out of your ears.

I do look forward to half the forum finally pissing off when their current leases expire and they all go to a competitor. At least if they decide It's a Good Day to Troll Hard, as no BMW is listed in their portfolio signature of mass-market vehicles and they come back for a little sad stirring, they can swiftly be deleted from view!

Do you love cropping the text as you like?
I won't have a further discussion since you are manipulating the text.
Here is my quote:

Originally Posted by Tracus

...I don't give a shit about its dynamics. There are very good dynamic cars out there today.

I have two other different brands in the stall, both very dynamic and competitive. No need to accept something that might drive nice but looks mediocre. I like both packages. Call me as you want.

It kind of makes me sad thinking that some people hope that "it will grow on me" or "hey looks so and so, but drives great"....
That's not excitement, that's acceptance.

Oh, and keep your Toyota. I rather have this 3 Series.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

You are definitely entitled to your opinion. Of course, some express their opinions in more constructive manners than others. But, with the above comment, I concur that you have definitely wandered into the wrong brand. BMW's core DNA is about dynamics. Then, they wrap some acceptable sheetmetal around it. Maybe a line bends one way or the other....so what? It your priorities go the other way, there are far more desireable brands for you.

Not really. I am a fan and owned several BMW's; just sold one of them, waiting for a new model. The other one that is left in my garage is sitting with a brand new engine installed after the original engine blew at 80.015 km. Yap. And out of warranty.

And I feel sorry to say it but BMW lost its dynamic benchmark crown some few years back. Plenty of articles in specialized magazines. Please read. You will find out that there are many good cars out there today.
That dynamic sheet of metal wrapped is a long gone story.
Thank you for the ACCEPTABLE term.

I have been waiting for this new one and now I am disappointed by the design. I am a long time BMW fan, but my late experience with the newer models, the cheapness in materials and technical approach, the questionable reliability and poor design, brings a big question mark... Maybe the new M3 if they fix the bumper and that ugly grill. Tail lights wishes will be too much but, still hoping...

[ASAP]

Is there an option for a non digital dash available? Or is there another view available in this virtual dash? Like an analog display... I like everything but I hate that dash layout so much.

[blinkme323]

Wow, this a huge step backwards from a design / aesthetic perspective. Really disappointing...

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Tracus

Not really. I am a fan and owned several BMW's; just sold one of them, waiting for a new model. The other one that is left in my garage is sitting with a brand new engine installed after the original engine blew at 80.015 km. Yap. And out of warranty.

And I feel sorry to say it but BMW lost its dynamic benchmark crown some few years back. Plenty of articles in specialized magazines. Please read. You will find out that there are many good cars out there today.
That dynamic sheet of metal wrapped is a long gone story.
Thank you for the ACCEPTABLE term.

I have been waiting for this new one and now I am disappointed by the design. I am a long time BMW fan, but my late experience with the newer models, the cheapness in materials and technical approach, the questionable reliability and poor design, brings a big question mark... Maybe the new M3 if they fix the bumper and that ugly grill. Tail lights wishes will be too much but, still hoping...

Perhaps we can also agree that with a particular attribute such as dynamics, even if the brand's core DNA, it is still possible to have a "slump" or make a mis-step. I don't think many would argue that didn't happen with the F30 and F10, although it wasn't unintentional. BMWAG deliberately/stragically attempted to broaden their appeal to more MB owners in their seeming never-ending race for higher volume. MB actually had the same problem, as the prior generation W204 had been criticized by its owners for being too "sporty". . Their W205 is an appropriately cushy bank vault on wheels again.

However, with the advent of the F22, BMW began to return to its roots (albeit nothing will ever completely undo the effect of EPS). That is a wonderful car and feels as it should, with superior quality (problem occurrences) recognized by a range including JDPower to Consumer Reports (not known for evaluating dynamics). My understanding is that some of the F22 engineering leaders were then assigned to G20, and the initial road tests are quite promising. MB found its way back to their brand essence, and the F22 and G20 (and good reports on G30) suggest BMW is again out of the woods on what a car should feel like. When they do it right, my opinion is nothing else feels the same and I cut a lot of slack on design. With reasonable expectations for "moderinization", every 3 Series since my 1977 320i occupied about the same relative position in the design arena compared to its then-contemporary competitors...nothing earth-shaking, not dramatic, not "gorgeous", but fine for the job and communicates the relative Teutonic seriousness of the car's purpose. I would rather drive a proper BMW and put up a gorgeous poster of something else in my garage.

[Brake_Late]

Yes. Teutonic

[Frosty]

There is still somersetting strong about the solid and separated kidneys.. even the previous generation debut as below still looks strong and serious to me..

Originally Posted by s4awd

Not sure about all the complaints. Looks light years ahead of the F30 when it debuted.

[beto_L.A.]

Originally Posted by praxis218

Thanks! Really curious as to what the "experts" were saying about the car

The $56k price point is interesting. Is that for the i or xi? Current 340i starts at $49k and 340xi starts at $51k. Cross-shopping, an Audi S4 is $51k. Or even a 540i starts at $59k.

If the M340i starts at $56k, a $69k M4 would be a better choice for most. The price gap is just too small.

similar lines like the one we read here:
"looks lexus", "who ever designed the car did the lines wrong", "I could have designed a better car"... Blah Blah Blah.
this is an X Drive model. The new technology will be fun.