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Just my observation. For every one driver that know when to use fog lights, there's 10 that just leave them on all the time. While front fogs on all the time just says I'm a dumbass, the Audi's and MB's driving around with rear fogs on all the time are downright distracting. I'm willing to sacrifice having them on my car to take them away from the clueless.
In modern cars, they all turn off when yo shut the car down.Now in a 1995 Audi, you press the switch once and its on forever so I get what you are saying

May be that's why we do not get a safety feature that is included everywhere else on the planet
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In modern cars, they all turn off when yo shut the car down.Now in a 1995 Audi, you press the switch once and its on forever so I get what you are saying

May be that's why we do not get a safety feature that is included everywhere else on the planet
Then they turn them on every time they get in. I don't know, but it's annoying.
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Then they turn them on every time they get in. I don't know, but it's annoying.
Totally!
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Nice work, we're making baby steps in getting it all functioning, as desired. It was same when the F-Series F30 was fairly new, a lot of trial and error to figure out the coding.

Two things I don't get are why would the turn signal hyper-flashing, when you rerouted it's output.. That's usually something integrated with incandescent bulbs, in which when it determines that their is a low voltage, it equals a symptom of a blown out bulb, thus, hyper-flash to indicate such, to the user. How you figure that the Euro taillight would change this?

Why would the hyper-flashing, bulb test still be used for LEDs, which already run on a low voltage, is beyond me. I assumed when BMW switch over to all LEDs, such warm/cold bulb checks were all deactivated. :

Also, I'm hearing various conflicting reports that some owners have the rear fog light LED diodes on their US-spec taillights and now you're saying they don't exist. I would nice to confirm this with some certainty.

I think hyper-flashing is happening bec of the small wiring differences and the ECU is possibly thinking that something is missing. I should note that when that happened, I did not get any light failure warnings on dash.
Little FYI, I just learned something new; apparently, that hyper-flashing you refer to is a mandatory feature that's required on all US-spec vehicles, not just BMWs. I didn't even know you can federally-mandate a sound but its what it is.

The law also regulates the frequency blink rate that the turn signal flashes and its minimum cubic square feet (7 3/8s).

I incorrectly assume that it was exclusive to an incandescent bulb outage but it's applicable to LEDs also. It's an audible indication that the turn signal light is defective.

Cool feature, yet there are rubes out there that still drive around with their turn signals on for miles.. 🤷🏻

Its possible that you might have adjust something related to the sensitivity or possible disable that feature, to avoid the rapid-flashing because I'm believe the vehicle is assuming there is a turn signal outage.

I'm digging into it further but the info is scant. Regardless, I'm sure it can be coded out, since the vehicle is shared with regions that doesn't require this, so BMW would of designed it to be toggle-able.
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Little FYI, I just learned something new; apparently, that hyper-flashing you refer to is a mandatory feature that's required on all US-spec vehicles, not just BMWs. I didn't even know you can federally-mandate a sound but its what it is.

The law also regulates the frequency blink rate that the turn signal flashes and its minimum cubic square feet (7 3/8s).

I incorrectly assume that it was exclusive to an incandescent bulb outage but it's applicable to LEDs also. It's an audible indication that the turn signal light is defective.

Cool feature, yet there are rubes out there that still drive around with their turn signals on for miles.. ����

Its possible that you might have adjust something related to the sensitivity or possible disable that feature, to avoid the rapid-flashing because I'm believe the vehicle is assuming there is a turn signal outage.

I'm digging into it further but the info is scant but I'm sure it can be coded out, since the vehicle is shared with regions that doesn't require this, so BMW would of designed it to be toggle-able.
I think, hyper flashing is happening bec of the 2 US Spec brake lights are no longer flashing when tails are program to function as ECE cars.

Since ECE lights are different and do not have the additional brake light strip, once plugged into the car, hyper-falshing should go away. At least that is my theory.

The theory is to go get a set of European Spec tail lights, plug them in and code the car to ECE values and hyper-flashing issue should be solved.

In theory again, when the rear fogs are wired, they should start functioning at the same time.
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I did some thinking over the weekend and decided to code using G01_ECE file as X3's tails are more similar to G20 than G30 cars behave.

Results were the same. No rear fogs but brake lights were separated from turn signals, inner turn signals also did not work and hyper-flashing continued to occur.

I am still thinking that this is a hardware issue and hyper-flashing is happening due to different plugs of the ECE lights that we are missing.

I will continue to report as I do more digging.
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Hi guys, has anyone had any definitive luck with this task?

I'm in the process of getting a 330ix via a military/diplomatic sales program in Germany. I'm not required to meet Dutch specs, but I don't want to stand out with the goofy US/Canada tails.

I need to check with the local dealer to see how much I can get the tails for, otherwise it seems there's a shop in Denmark that has the whole set for under $1k. Do you have the Euro lightswitch part #?

As for the coding, I'm new to BMW but I've had a decent amount of experience with VAG-COM/VCDS in the VW and Audi world. Hopefully this can carry over.

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Hi guys, has anyone had any definitive luck with this task?

I'm in the process of getting a 330ix via a military/diplomatic sales program in Germany. I'm not required to meet Dutch specs, but I don't want to stand out with the goofy US/Canada tails.

I need to check with the local dealer to see how much I can get the tails for, otherwise it seems there's a shop in Denmark that has the whole set for under $1k. Do you have the Euro lightswitch part #?

As for the coding, I'm new to BMW but I've had a decent amount of experience with VAG-COM/VCDS in the VW and Audi world. Hopefully this can carry over.

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I would not recommend buying brand new lights from the dealer as there are many good / new examples all over EU ebay both for the lights and the switch.

It looks like someone figured out how to code and we are still waiting for what parameters need to be changed. See below link.

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4&postcount=42

BMW (advanced) coding is more complicated / difficult than VCDS and doesn't have the same type of support VW / Audi folks have in the community IMO. Case in point, above link or the OP who started this thread.

We will keep this thread alive until someone figures out what parameters will need to be changed to have our tails operate like ROW cars and activate rear fog lights...... which will require wiring btw.

Keep us posted with your findings.
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Thanks for the response.

I wouldn't be paying the VAT and the exchange rate is pretty decent now - I'll check with them just for a baseline. I'll definitely do some digging before pulling the trigger.

The "coding" portion of this forum is much more active than the VCDS section on the one VAG site I've been on for ever... it's too bad there's not better support for tasks like this in the BMW world.

Hopefully I can figure something out.
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Has anyone dealt with BPM Sport?

In an email exchange with them it appears they can do the programming...

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Yes, we can perform the coding. But you must ensure that you have all of the hardware installed that supports the new lights.
So, get the proper tails and light switch - pay them to do it remotely - profit?
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NA Tail lights with ECE brake and turn signal behaviour.

Like some of you, I dislike the function of the turn-signals in our NA tail lights and I really missed the brakeforce and rear fog lights I had coded into my 435iX.

So like some of you, I tried to FDL code the BDC_BODY to behave like the ECE tail lights but I could not discover how the tail lamp LEDs are physically and logically referenced/mapped. Without the mapping, it would be next to impossible to figure-out.

I then came across a posting by greekcs on side-marker delete (by changing the typecode to ECE and VO coding the FLM2s). I did not care to delete my side markers but I was curious to see if it would work. To my surprise, it worked.... on the F32 platform, this method would cause the turn-signals to hyperflash.

So that gave me the idea of doing the same thing with BDC_BODY.

1) I compared the US and ECE versions of all BDC CAFD files and note the differences between the US and ECE parameters that I did not want to change. See below...

7083 NFC_KEY_VALD_LONG 5min
7083 NFC_KEY_VALID_WINDOW_OPEN 20sec
7083 PF_SZT_LIN_VAR nicht_aktiv
7083 RCI_HF_FREQUENCY wert_04
7083 RCM_DEFAULT_IDG_4TH_BUTTON_LONG Wert_03
7083 RCM_PANIC_ALARM aktiv
7083 RCM_PANIC_ALARM_3TIMES aktiv
7083 UGDO_COUNTRY USA
7083 VAM_CCM_COOLANT_TEMP aktiv
7083 WW_FRONTWASCHEN_VIA_SRA_OUTPUT aktiv


2) I edited my FA Typecode to ECE, VO Coded BDC_BODY and FDL Coded the parameters I noted in 1) back to the US values.

3) I then added back my BDC Cheat Codes and custom FDL Coding.


Guess what... it worked.... Brake lamps are no long functioning as turn-signals and the rest of the tail lamps (parking, turn, back-up) appear to function properly in both outer and inner assemblies.

I still need to test brakeforce (I want all three brake lamps to flash). FYI, my tail lights did not come with LED ICs soldered onto the Fog lamp PCB.

Please note in my experience, the brightness/lumenous output for turn-signals and parking lamps are lower for ECE than NA so these lamps in the rear will not be as bright as the fronts unless you follow greekcs' method for side-marker delete.

Edit: Tested brakeforce when it got dark outside. Brakeforce appears to be working properly i.e. all 3 brake lamps are blinking.

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Like some of you, I dislike the function of the turn-signals in our NA tail lights and I really missed the brakeforce and rear fog lights I had coded into my 435iX.

So like some of you, I tried to FDL code the BDC_BODY to behave like the ECE tail lights but I could not discover how the tail lamp LEDs are physically and logically referenced/mapped. Without the mapping, it would be next to impossible to figure-out.

I then came across a posting by greekcs on side-marker delete (by changing the typecode to ECE and VO coding the FLM2s). I did not care to delete my side markers but I was curious to see if it would work. To my surprise, it worked.... on the F32 platform, this method would cause the turn-signals to hyperflash.

So that gave me the idea of doing the same thing with BDC_BODY.

1) I compared the US and ECE versions of all BDC CAFD files and note the differences between the US and ECE parameters that I did not want to change. See below...

7083 NFC_KEY_VALD_LONG 5min
7083 NFC_KEY_VALID_WINDOW_OPEN 20sec
7083 PF_SZT_LIN_VAR nicht_aktiv
7083 RCI_HF_FREQUENCY wert_04
7083 RCM_DEFAULT_IDG_4TH_BUTTON_LONG Wert_03
7083 RCM_PANIC_ALARM aktiv
7083 RCM_PANIC_ALARM_3TIMES aktiv
7083 UGDO_COUNTRY USA
7083 VAM_CCM_COOLANT_TEMP aktiv
7083 WW_FRONTWASCHEN_VIA_SRA_OUTPUT aktiv


2) I edited my FA Typecode to ECE, VO Coded BDC_BODY and FDL Coded the parameters I noted in 1) back to the US values.

3) I then added back my BDC Cheat Codes and custom FDL Coding.


Guess what... it worked.... Brake lamps are no long functioning as turn-signals and the rest of the tail lamps (parking, turn, back-up) appear to function properly in both outer and inner assemblies.

I still need to test brakeforce (I want all three brake lamps to flash). FYI, my tail lights did not come with LED ICs soldered onto the Fog lamp PCB.

Please note in my experience, the brightness/lumenous output for turn-signals and parking lamps are lower for ECE than NA so these lamps in the rear will not be as bright as the fronts unless you follow greekcs' method for side-marker delete.

Edit: Tested brakeforce when it got dark outside. Brakeforce appears to be working properly i.e. all 3 brake lamps are blinking.

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Did you only code 7083, or did you code the other CAFDs too?
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Did you only code 7083, or did you code the other CAFDs too?
Yes, but in determining which parameters to reverted back to NA, I also included the other ECE - related fdl coding changes I had already implemented (headlights & auto doors lock/unlock) and plan on implementing (rear fogs - I am waiting on a set of ECE tail lights and an ECE light switch). These parameters include:

1DF8 C_AFS_ECO_LEVEL_3_ENA
1DF8 C_AFS_ENA
1DF8 C_BLC_PRE_ENA
1DF8 C_CLC_CURV_V2
1DF8 C_CLC_CURV_V3
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1DF8 C_HBA_GFHBA_ENA_V_HI
1DF8 LUT_AFS_CODRV_HOR
1DF8 LUT_AFS_DRV_HOR
1DF8 LUT_FLC_FORWARDLIGHTING_Y

7083 CLI_DEFAULT_LOCK_AT_SPEED
7083 CLI_DEFAULT_UNLOCK_AFTER_END_OF_DRIVING
7083 CLI_DEFAULT_UNLOCK_SELECTIVE

7083 LCE_BEL_LIN_VAR
7083 NSL_VERBAUT
7083 NSW_AUS_BEI_FL
7083 NSW_EIN_AUF_LDS_STL
7083 TFL_MODUS.

Please note I reverted 7083 LCE_BEL_LIN_VAR back to NA, in the interim, to eliminate the "warning/error" message in ISTA.

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Now if you guys can only lets us know how to do this through Bimmercode, it would be awesome.
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Now if you guys can only lets us know how to do this through Bimmercode, it would be awesome.
Another method is to just fdl code the differences (that I believe may be related to the tail lights) in BDC_BODY between NA and ECE. If Bimmercode can access the parameters below, try changing to:

17BD FS_BL FS_HW_BL

44ED FH_FREIGABE_PWF_US nicht_aktiv

5665 BFD_L_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Inactive
5665 BFD_R_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Inactive
5665 LIC_EDGE_CUTTER_RULE_ASSIGNMENT UNK_PARAM_3
5665 LIC_FEATURE_14 disable
5665 LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_DATA UNK_PARAM_22
5665 LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_INDEX UNK_PARAM_22
5665 LIC_NIVEAU_OVERRIDE_DATA_0 G20_ECE_code1
5665 LIC_NIVEAU_OVERRIDE_INDEX G20_EXE_code2
5665 LIC_VERSION_DATA UNK_PARAM_28
5665 NSL_L_CCM CCM114
5665 NSL_L_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Active
5665 NSL_R_CCM CCM114
5665 NSL_R_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Active
5665 TFL_L_CCM CCM116
5665 TFL_R_CCM CCM125

7083 ESS_AKTIVIERUNG_GESCHW wert_01
7083 ESS_AKIVIERUNG_REALE_VERZ wert_01
7083 GEFAHRENBREMSLICHT_TYP bremslicht_blinkend
7083 WB_GB_ENABLE aktiv
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Like some of you, I dislike the function of the turn-signals in our NA tail lights and I really missed the brakeforce and rear fog lights I had coded into my 435iX.

So like some of you, I tried to FDL code the BDC_BODY to behave like the ECE tail lights but I could not discover how the tail lamp LEDs are physically and logically referenced/mapped. Without the mapping, it would be next to impossible to figure-out.

I then came across a posting by greekcs on side-marker delete (by changing the typecode to ECE and VO coding the FLM2s). I did not care to delete my side markers but I was curious to see if it would work. To my surprise, it worked.... on the F32 platform, this method would cause the turn-signals to hyperflash.

So that gave me the idea of doing the same thing with BDC_BODY.

1) I compared the US and ECE versions of all BDC CAFD files and note the differences between the US and ECE parameters that I did not want to change. See below...

7083 NFC_KEY_VALD_LONG 5min
7083 NFC_KEY_VALID_WINDOW_OPEN 20sec
7083 PF_SZT_LIN_VAR nicht_aktiv
7083 RCI_HF_FREQUENCY wert_04
7083 RCM_DEFAULT_IDG_4TH_BUTTON_LONG Wert_03
7083 RCM_PANIC_ALARM aktiv
7083 RCM_PANIC_ALARM_3TIMES aktiv
7083 UGDO_COUNTRY USA
7083 VAM_CCM_COOLANT_TEMP aktiv
7083 WW_FRONTWASCHEN_VIA_SRA_OUTPUT aktiv


2) I edited my FA Typecode to ECE, VO Coded BDC_BODY and FDL Coded the parameters I noted in 1) back to the US values.

3) I then added back my BDC Cheat Codes and custom FDL Coding.


Guess what... it worked.... Brake lamps are no long functioning as turn-signals and the rest of the tail lamps (parking, turn, back-up) appear to function properly in both outer and inner assemblies.

I still need to test brakeforce (I want all three brake lamps to flash). FYI, my tail lights did not come with LED ICs soldered onto the Fog lamp PCB.

Please note in my experience, the brightness/lumenous output for turn-signals and parking lamps are lower for ECE than NA so these lamps in the rear will not be as bright as the fronts unless you follow greekcs' method for side-marker delete.

Edit: Tested brakeforce when it got dark outside. Brakeforce appears to be working properly i.e. all 3 brake lamps are blinking.

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Hey Larry, you're amazing for doing all this!
Would you be able to take a quick video of the rear blinkers in action?
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Thanks Larry for the work. Going to try this tonight and will report back.
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Another method is to just fdl code the differences (that I believe may be related to the tail lights) in BDC_BODY between NA and ECE. If Bimmercode can access the parameters below, try changing to:

17BD FS_BL FS_HW_BL

44ED FH_FREIGABE_PWF_US nicht_aktiv

5665 BFD_L_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Inactive
5665 BFD_R_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Inactive
5665 LIC_EDGE_CUTTER_RULE_ASSIGNMENT UNK_PARAM_3
5665 LIC_FEATURE_14 disable
5665 LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_DATA UNK_PARAM_22
5665 LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_INDEX UNK_PARAM_22
5665 LIC_NIVEAU_OVERRIDE_DATA_0 G20_ECE_code1
5665 LIC_NIVEAU_OVERRIDE_INDEX G20_EXE_code2
5665 LIC_VERSION_DATA UNK_PARAM_28
5665 NSL_L_CCM CCM114
5665 NSL_L_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Active
5665 NSL_R_CCM CCM114
5665 NSL_R_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Active
5665 TFL_L_CCM CCM116
5665 TFL_R_CCM CCM125

7083 ESS_AKTIVIERUNG_GESCHW wert_01
7083 ESS_AKIVIERUNG_REALE_VERZ wert_01
7083 GEFAHRENBREMSLICHT_TYP bremslicht_blinkend
7083 WB_GB_ENABLE aktiv
Are you using Launcher Pro? If so, what version? I have 3.7.315 and it is missing mappings for 2 CAFDs in BDC_BODY (51DD and 5665)
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Hey Larry, you're amazing for doing all this!
Would you be able to take a quick video of the rear blinkers in action?
Will post a video either tonight or tomorrow.
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Are you using Launcher Pro? If so, what version? I have 3.7.315 and it is missing mappings for 2 CAFDs in BDC_BODY (51DD and 5665)
I am using the same version of LauncherPro (3.7.0.315). Esys version is 3.33.4 and full psdzdata from ISTA+ 4.23.16.

LauncherPro memory set to 8GB (16GB installed). I have no problems with 51DD and 5665. I sometime loose CAFD mapping unexpectedly. To fix, I reboot my PC.
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Another method is to just fdl code the differences (that I believe may be related to the tail lights) in BDC_BODY between NA and ECE. If Bimmercode can access the parameters below, try changing to:

17BD FS_BL FS_HW_BL

44ED FH_FREIGABE_PWF_US nicht_aktiv

5665 BFD_L_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Inactive
5665 BFD_R_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Inactive
5665 LIC_EDGE_CUTTER_RULE_ASSIGNMENT UNK_PARAM_3
5665 LIC_FEATURE_14 disable
5665 LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_DATA UNK_PARAM_22
5665 LIC_LOG_LAMP_2_PHYS_LAMP_INDEX UNK_PARAM_22
5665 LIC_NIVEAU_OVERRIDE_DATA_0 G20_ECE_code1
5665 LIC_NIVEAU_OVERRIDE_INDEX G20_EXE_code2
5665 LIC_VERSION_DATA UNK_PARAM_28
5665 NSL_L_CCM CCM114
5665 NSL_L_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Active
5665 NSL_R_CCM CCM114
5665 NSL_R_UE_SPG_SCHUTZ Active
5665 TFL_L_CCM CCM116
5665 TFL_R_CCM CCM125

7083 ESS_AKTIVIERUNG_GESCHW wert_01
7083 ESS_AKIVIERUNG_REALE_VERZ wert_01
7083 GEFAHRENBREMSLICHT_TYP bremslicht_blinkend
7083 WB_GB_ENABLE aktiv
There is my project for the evening. I will go through all of the above via bimmer code and report back.

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