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The OP said 1) he was having the time of his life driving the 430i in corners and 2) he was excited about the 40 MPG fuel savings. So on those grounds, 430i is the recommendation.
Others who want higher straight line speeds at the sacrifice of sharper handling should choose the 440i. |
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here is the truth: if the 430 and m440i were the same price i'm pretty sure 99% would pick the m440i. for the other 1% who wouldn't. it just means you have made the right choice for your purposes/priorities.
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Even more ludicrous to insinuate that 40i models are only superior in a straight line compared to the 30i. Obviously this is the opinion held by folks who've never driver a car in a situation where an LSD would be beneficial.
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I, the op, have chosen the m440i after 1 minute of driving it.
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You made the right choice.
I hope you enjoy, in good health, the subpar handling and power you can't use. |
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And if the 430 is an open diff, ouch! |
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03-03-2024, 12:28 AM | #76 | |
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And check this out, the G20 330i can drift. |
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The M-LSD in the G series M2/M3/M4/M340i/M440i is essentially the same unit introduced on the F8x M cars and installed in the M2, M2C, M3, M4, etc. What you're referring to is the non-M cars of the F generation which used the rear brakes to create drag on one side or the other in an attempt to limit wheelspin. It's crude, it's nothing like a real LSD, and it's simply horrible on track. None of the non-M F-series cars came with a real LSD. You could order a traditional Salisbury LSD with 25% lockup for the M235i as a dealer installed part, and that was it for non-M F-series cars. For the G series cars, if you don't get the M340i/M440i or a 430i with dynamic handling package, you get an open differential. Note that for model years up through 2022, the 330i with the dynamic handling package came with the M-LSD also, but as part of cost cutting, BMW eliminated the LSD diff from that package for the 330i for 2023+. Also finding a used 2022 or earlier with the dynamic handling package is exceedingly rare, and if you do find one that also has the M-sport package, chances are good it is a former Performance Center car.
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The following is an old thread that talks about ADB. https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=719012 While the M-lite cars get the M sport differential, they also do not have the true M chassis and attributes such that the M sport differential on a M-lite may not bring the same driving control and experience on the track as a true M. |
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In general true-M owners would like the full scope of true-M characteristics available for track usage, it is interesting to read your purchase experience that a M sport differential alone is enough to forgo the rest of the true-M experience for track usage. |
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We played off the G80 M3 6MT versus the M340i for a few months before ordering the M340i. As far as acceleration go, the ZF8 M340i is quicker to 60mph than the 6MT M3 and only 0.2 seconds slower to 100mph, so daily use would say they are near equivalent...that is until you actually drive both extensively and realize the S58 is very weak until almost 3000rpms, so you do need to mind the tach. For similar reasons (i.e. making big higher rpm HP), the G80 is much less fuel efficient in typical daily driving and also especially highway driving where the 6th gear has the engine singing along at 3k rpms or more on the interstate. All that said, we were on the path to ordering a 6MT G80 until I spent some track time with an M340i last fall where I was super impressed with the ZF8 in sport+ mode along with the LSD managing power on trackout. Additionally, the feedback through the steering wheel was sufficient enough to delicately manage fine inputs to put it right on the limits of adhesion and hold it there (especially on the wet skid pad rat race experience at the PC) continually. Anyway, given all the combined experiences and the planned use of the car (all street use but we have some wicked driving roads less than 10min away in the SC/NC mountains), my wife gave up her demand to have a 6MT car since she can always drive the M2C for fun. Sadly, due to neutering of the S58 in the 6MT version, the G80 M3 just doesn't quite cut it for me if I was looking buy a car for my personal use. If I had to buy a G80 M3 and give up a 6MT, I'd probably buy the M3 CS.
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For a 250+HP 330i, the open diff + ADB work reasonably well on local cloverleafs and tight connectors and hilly terrains, even in recent stormy conditions. |
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I'm now in a 540 loaner and it's so damn boring. Should have taken the 430 again. Just waiting for a 440 to show up with the options I'm looking for. Waiting has been the worst part. I've never wanted to get into a car more. Can't pinpoint what is so great about this model, I just know I have to have one.
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I am 2 years in, and there’s really no reason to swap this car out for anything else. I could improve upon one aspect or another, but I could not improve upon the whole package.
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If you're talking about LSD to help balance the wheels on inconsistent terrain, why the need for insane torque and HP anyway, it's rather irresponsible driving. |
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Again, not talking about those who are professional drivers on a closed course trying to eke out the very last drop of performance. For the average Joe commuting daily and having a little fun on backroads 5x a year. |
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