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Check out the ordering guide and look under M Sport to see what's included: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1555055 |
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01-10-2019, 01:35 PM | #91 |
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If you were important enough for me to know what your time is worth I'd tell you. But as it is...
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Pretty sure. The F30 340i doesn't sell as well as the 320i and 330i because of the price. They were being heavily discounted even when new. Adding a 'M' to it ups it's visibility significantly even to the casual enthusiast. Those who could not afford a true M car can now suddenly get their foot in the door with an M Performance car. It seems to be working, because I think it's going to do well. Most people didn't think the 340i was an S4 competitor simple because it didn't have a specialized badge like 'S' does. Frankly, since most people don't really take advantage of the M3/4's true capabilities anyway, it's more about the badge and bragging rights. Can't really blame BMW for taking advantage of human nature. It's nice that they upped the performance aspects of the M340i too, but that is to be expected in the next gen 3 series flagship. Had the M340i still be named the 340i, it would probably be exactly the same as a fully spec'ed 340i M Sport without the badges.
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I played a while with the configurator on bmw.ch and a well-equipped 330i costs more than 80k CHF which is over 80k USD. I think that the same configuration for M340i would be probably be over 90k. mad0259: Technically G20 is for sure a step forward but when it comes to design it is a total failure IMO. It looks simply strange from all angles. From F30 the 3 Series started to loose something I always like about these cars. I have never been a huge fan of F30, mainly due to its front fascia and side profile but the G20 is the next step in the wrong direction. I doesn't look handsome at all like all the E generations before in their time. |
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The M340i will have a LSD, which didn't exist on the 340i. Also xDrive isn't on the M2/M3/M4. |
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01-10-2019, 04:31 PM | #100 | |
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I'd certainly have an F30 over an E90 in a heartbeat, and I'd even promise not to scream on the internet about the steering, whilst sitting dead stationary, in diesel-choked London traffic |
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Lets be realistic, it's about price. If the M3/4 were the same price as a 340i, most likely you would choose the M3/4. However, at it is priced now, most who chose a 340i are doing so because the premium is not worth the added performance the M3/4 offers. Rest assured, the relationship in inversely proportional to disposable income. As disposable income goes up, the overall instances of choosing a 340i due to cost goes down. Sure we can "afford" more expensive cars, it just becomes "not worth it" because worth is relative. Sure it is. Expense is not dictated by the MSRP alone. Selling price vs depreciation is a better indication. The trade-off of performance and a less desirable lease depreciation for the M2 vs the M3/4 makes it hard to justify an M2 unless you really want the size and dynamics of that car. A new 340i or 2018 outgoing M3 can currently be discounted by about $10k. Not so with the M2. Quote:
This is a huge plus for the M340i and remedies one of the disadvantages that the F30 340i has against the M3/4. However, the M3/4 will always be lighter than the 340i, have better brakes, better cooling, more power, better handing etc. The G80, however, will have XDrive so it will be interesting to see if people are can still use the lack of AWD as an excuse to not get an M3/4. Again, price will be the issue.
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The point about people picking the more premium auto if they were all magically priced the same doesn't need to be said. |
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It was to prove the point. I read and hear a lot of people who claim they don't want an M3/4 because of the harshness of the ride etc. They don't need the power etc... they don't need the power because they are not in the financial position to warrant the increase in price. To be clear, I would get a Ferrari 488 if it were only $90k. It's the better car than the M3 for what I want it to do. Price is the main factor for not getting a Ferrari because, while I can afford the $4000 monthly, it's just not worth it because I'm not a millionaire and it is too big a chuck of my income to be considered a smart financial decision.
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Nope. Got a $50k raise this year. Still driving my 340i and living in the same high rise. All of it is going into mutual funds.
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$100k raise and you might.
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Nicely equipped M340 x drive, about $50k less than a M5. I can't wait 😊
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So this is really confusing. ZMP (M sport) actually does not contain ZCV (Convenience) in itself, but rather all of the same options that ZCV contains, except, ZN1 (Active Blind Spot Detection). Unless this is an ordering guide typo/error.
1.) They should have just broken out ZMP and ZCV so folks could get just true ZMP items without paying for ZCV (and avoiding confusion). 2.) The only way to get ZN1 is by getting ZCV or ZDA. You can't get ZCV or ZDA with ZMP. It would appear you can't get ZN1 on a ZMP car then. The configurator is actually matching the ordering guide in this sense. |
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One thought I had was that blind spot sensors are part of the basic "active driving assistant" and the ZN1 adds the ability for the car to correct for you. When you go to the pro package it adds the car correcting for you anyway so the additional feature is redundant. Another thought is that the order guide has some errors. The most unlikely possibility is that blind spot detection is not compatible with msport that would be a real boneheaded mistake for bmw I feel like with every new bmw launch there is always one or two features that have some kind of weird order guide logic and we don't end up finding out the truth till cars are sitting on lots |
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So when the g20 was announced they said M sport had the digital dash only but it seems to me as if once you add premium package it switches to it . I’m basing this off watching the pictures when i customized it .. anybody noticed that also?
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