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      04-13-2019, 04:38 PM   #23
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Thanks for the reply, looks like the information about the M340i using the old steering rack is most definitely true, very dissapointed they couldn't make a new rack/tune the old one better for the inline 6 model. Once the M340i makes its way to dealers near me, I'm going to have to do some extensive test driving and comparisons to the G70 3.3TT that my wife and I are interested in.
Why disappointing? My cars steers great on non RFT Michelin P4S.
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Why disappointing? My cars steers great on non RFT Michelin P4S.
I agree and will take a step further, my car steers great on Bridgestone Potenza S002 RFT.
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Why disappointing? My cars steers great on non RFT Michelin P4S.
Its disappointing because while you may like the steering on your F30, everyone has different opinions and values steering differently. To me, I value, heavy, crisp, and communicative steering similar to that of the E90 and many older hydraulic BMW steering racks, and the F30 and even the G20 I auto crossed, in my opinion don't have that signature BMW feature.

Its not just the steering though, my wife and I have tested F30’s on various tires and various model years anywhere and even the new G20s fully loaded, and we liked many things about these cars, but dynamically, they didn't excite us or feel like our E90 and past BMWs, and the steering was still too light and devoid of feel even in its sportiest setting. Because of this we skipped the F30 in favor of hoping that the G20 (specifically M340i) will return to form. The G20 is an improvement from the F30, but I'm still not sure its the improvement I was hoping/looking for. For some I'm sure the car is great and exceeds their expectations, but everyone has different preferences.

We're no longer in the 90's and early 2000's where BMW was the only good vehicle in its class. Over the years many cars have made the gap smaller, with other vehicles improving their handling, and some even beating the 3 dynamically (Giulia, ATS), EPS was just one of the major killers of this generation of driver's cars.
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Its disappointing because while you may like the steering on your F30, everyone has different opinions and values steering differently. To me, I value, heavy, crisp, and communicative steering similar to that of the E90 and many older hydraulic BMW steering racks, and the F30 and even the G20 I auto crossed, in my opinion don't have that signature BMW feature.

Its not just the steering though, my wife and I have tested F30’s on various tires and various model years anywhere and even the new G20s fully loaded, and we liked many things about these cars, but dynamically, they didn't excite us or feel like our E90 and past BMWs, and the steering was still too light and devoid of feel even in its sportiest setting. Because of this we skipped the F30 in favor of hoping that the G20 (specifically M340i) will return to form. The G20 is an improvement from the F30, but I'm still not sure its the improvement I was hoping/looking for. For some I'm sure the car is great and exceeds their expectations, but everyone has different preferences.

We're no longer in the 90's and early 2000's where BMW was the only good vehicle in its class. Over the years many cars have made the gap smaller, with other vehicles improving their handling, and some even beating the 3 dynamically (Giulia, ATS), EPS was just one of the major killers of this generation of driver's cars.
My E92 2012 335i had hydraulic steering that absolutely stunk. That car couldn't turn well to save it's life. And it had M Sport package.
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My E92 2012 335i had hydraulic steering that absolutely stunk. That car couldn't turn well to save it's life. And it had M Sport package.
Like I said in the begining, everyone's got different steering preferances
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Its disappointing because while you may like the steering on your F30, everyone has different opinions and values steering differently. To me, I value, heavy, crisp, and communicative steering similar to that of the E90 and many older hydraulic BMW steering racks, and the F30 and even the G20 I auto crossed, in my opinion don't have that signature BMW feature.

Its not just the steering though, my wife and I have tested F30’s on various tires and various model years anywhere and even the new G20s fully loaded, and we liked many things about these cars, but dynamically, they didn't excite us or feel like our E90 and past BMWs, and the steering was still too light and devoid of feel even in its sportiest setting. Because of this we skipped the F30 in favor of hoping that the G20 (specifically M340i) will return to form. The G20 is an improvement from the F30, but I'm still not sure its the improvement I was hoping/looking for. For some I'm sure the car is great and exceeds their expectations, but everyone has different preferences.

We're no longer in the 90's and early 2000's where BMW was the only good vehicle in its class. Over the years many cars have made the gap smaller, with other vehicles improving their handling, and some even beating the 3 dynamically (Giulia, ATS), EPS was just one of the major killers of this generation of driver's cars.
Ok, I take issue with some of what you say.. it's almost contradictory..

Obviously this is a different BMW than the 90s-2000s BMW. I refuse to believe an established company such as BMW fail to produce an EPS controlled steering that would compete directly with competitors.

///M cars have lost the connected feeling... What's left?

They (BMW) have chosen to go in a different direction and grab a different market share... On one hand you say "everyone values steering differently", but yet rail against BMW for not having the "feel" you hoped for.... In other words, perhaps it's not a matter of "who's better", but a matter of who the "market is catering too". No different than Goldilocks trying to find the right bed.

Maybe BMW is no longer your cup of tea, and that's fine... be grateful we have choices.
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Ok, I take issue with some of what you say.. it's almost contradictory..

Obviously this is a different BMW than the 90s-2000s BMW. I refuse to believe an established company such as BMW fail to produce an EPS controlled steering that would compete directly with competitors.

///M cars have lost the connected feeling... What's left?

They (BMW) have chosen to go in a different direction and grab a different market share... On one hand you say "everyone values steering differently", but yet rail against BMW for not having the "feel" you hoped for.... In other words, perhaps it's not a matter of "who's better", but a matter of who the "market is catering too". No different than Goldilocks trying to find the right bed.

Maybe BMW is no longer your cup of tea, and that's fine... be grateful we have choices.
I am grateful we have choices, but I just feel as if BMW is trying to market the G20 as the return of the sports sedan and trying to say they've fixed what people found fault on the F30.

I do agree with you, I may have been contradicting myself with the statements of who they're catering towards and what I want them to be, but, the cars I found fault with weren't the base model F30 and G20s, these were cars fully equipped with packages such as "Track Handling Package" and optional performance tires, sports steering, and other options that change the dynamics of the car, so I did tests cars that they were aiming towards their sports market such as people like myself who prefer heavy steering and communicative handling, over say the everyday light and easier ride of a luxury line 330i.

Also, you yourself mentioned you refused to believe that competitors created a better steering system, but why? Its been known that BMW has had trouble creating a good EPS system for years now, multiple reviews, motorists, forum members and even owners, have stated that companies such as Alfa, Porsche, Ford, Mazda, and even Mercedes have been able to tune their EPS systems better than BMW, heck there's even a thread on the F30 page with people talking about how the Civic has better steering, why is it so hard to believe that the competition has better steering? Have you driven one?
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Have you driven one?
No. I haven’t. I am still weighing my options before the M340i is delivered.

I’m having a hard time believing BMW engineers are struggling to dial in the steering, while other manufacturers are succeeding. Just like the review states "...not a mistake.."
Whether it’s the bean counters, marketing, or engineers sucking on exhaust fumes during brea, something is driving this different approach to steering feel. If we all (not just on this board) voted with our $$$ and BMW sales tanked, I’d bet they respond!
Maybe this will pass, maybe new leadership will bring BMW back to its roots... or develop a niche line that addresses enthusiasts concerns.

Regardless of what the reviewers say, unless the competition completely dominates sales vs the 3 series, BMW has no incentive for a course correction.
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I’d love to read more reviews from people who have driven the car.
I'm very surprised no one has wrote an in depth review yet, especially concerning the handling/steering dynamics of the car. Considering people have been taking delivery for a couple weeks now. Anyyyy day now , I'm patiently waiting ....
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I'm very surprised no one has wrote an in depth review yet, especially concerning the handling/steering dynamics of the car. Considering people have been taking delivery for a couple weeks now. Anyyyy day now , I'm patiently waiting ....
Murphy’s law it will come out a right after a bunch of us take possession to find out the car is a dog!


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Also, you yourself mentioned you refused to believe that competitors created a better steering system, but why? Its been known that BMW has had trouble creating a good EPS system for years now, multiple reviews, motorists, forum members and even owners, have stated that companies such as Alfa, Porsche, Ford, Mazda, and even Mercedes have been able to tune their EPS systems better than BMW, heck there's even a thread on the F30 page with people talking about how the Civic has better steering, why is it so hard to believe that the competition has better steering? Have you driven one?
Other cars I've driven with an eps rack have had similar characteristics as far as I can tell. There are differences in resistance and simulated feel, but none have the tactile feedback that a good hydraulic system can provide. I'd heard the Chevy ss eps system touted as one of the better ones in its time, yet I didn't see it as being a major departure from other eps systems. It might have been slightly better than the early f30s, but it wasn't night and day to me, and I cant imagine anyone would mistake it for having a hydraulic rack.

Maybe others have figured it out. There's nothing wrong with optimism. I've heard conflicting things on the Porsche eps racks. I have t driven one, so I can't give my impressions. It's funny though because the Porsche eps gets touted as one of, if not, the best on other car forums, but it doesn't seem to get the same praise by Porsche aficionados. As with bmw drivers, there are many long time Porsche drivers who lament the switch from hydraulic to eps. I've also seen members on other car forums naming bmw as one of the manufacturers who "got their eps systems right", or at least better than many others. It's like the grass is greener on the other side, but in reality, current eps, in general, is a noticeable departure from hps. This might change one day, or perhaps eps will even surpass what the best hps systems could do. Maybe newcomers will be the ones to lead that technological achievement, but until then, I think eps racks are more similar than different among different manufacturers.
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Murphy's law it will come out a right after a bunch of us take possession to find out the car is a dog!


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I'm in the west coast , and my car just hit the port in Germany. It's a very long wait for me unfortunately. Might take almost 2 months until I take actual delivery. But as far as the car and the handling goes , I'm fairly optimistic it'll be pretty darn good. Old steering rack or not , not that the old rack was bad , I'm talking newer lci F generation. It's just devoid of road feel. Precise and heavy weighted yes , but no road feedback. Same goes for my M4 , even more precise and crisp turn in , but again no feedback. With all that being said, this is a whole new platform with new suspension , dampers , etc etc. They've certainly optimized and calibrated the steering because of it. I'm just hoping BMW has done their homework.
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I'm in the west coast , and my car just hit the port in Germany. It's a very long wait for me unfortunately. Might take almost 2 months until I take actual delivery. But as far as the car and the handling goes , I'm fairly optimistic it'll be pretty darn good. Old steering rack or not , not that the old rack was bad , I'm talking newer lci F generation. It's just devoid of road feel. Precise and heavy weighted yes , but no road feedback. Same goes for my M4 , even more precise and crisp turn in , but again no feedback. With all that being said, this is a whole new platform with new suspension , dampers , etc etc. They've certainly optimized and calibrated the steering because of it. I'm just hoping BMW has done their homework.
I agree, the M4’s road feel is lacking ( surprising for a true “M” car). I usually drive with it on sport+, I prefer the heavy weighted feel.

I’m also optimistic, but there is a tinge of anxiety, I’ve been bitten before with the Infiniti Q50S DAS, that steering platform was atrocious, compared to G37!
Of course being an early adopter, reviews were initially scarce!!

Different company, different car...

2 months?? Well look at this way, you have a good buffer should you have to change your mind ... I would expect more info by June.
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I haven't driven a M car other than an M2, but I have my M340 for 8 days. It feels stickier and faster than the M2. However other than a few blasts I haven't driven it hard yet, there is a break in period. The car is much faster and better handling than my 16 f30 340. Its does feel a little heavier than the previous generation. From what I can tell at this point is its a far superior performance car. Its much faster and the engine in turbine like in full sport mode. The tech is awesome but there is a steep learning curve to master all of it. I can't really give an in-depth critique yet.

There are some little annoyances. Shutting off the ac requires a ridiculous process. There is no floor for storage in the trunk. The USB ports are now usbc except in the compartment in front of the shifter. That means all new cables for our phones.

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I haven't driven a M car other than an M2, but I have my M340 for 8 days. It feels stickier and faster than the M2. However other than a few blasts I haven't driven it hard yet, there is a break in period. The car is much faster and better handling than my 16 f30 340. Its does feel a little heavier than the previous generation. From what I can tell at this point is its a far superior performance car. Its much faster and the engine in turbine like in full sport mode. The tech is awesome but there is a steep learning curve to master all of it. I can't really give an in-depth critique yet.

There are some little annoyances. Shutting off the ac requires a ridiculous process. There is no floor for storage in the trunk. The USB ports are now usbc except in the compartment in front of the shifter. That means all new cables for our phones.

Bmw assistant I think works great. Its a beefed up system from my wifes 18 X3. The HK stereo is great.
congrats on your new M340i!

what are the wheel and tire specs?
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Biggest complaint is that there is NO text messaging system or emails other than through Apple Car Play. I hope BMW has a good reason for this as I see it as a huge step backwards!!!!
If that’s the biggest complaint, I can live with it!!

Awesome!! Congratulations on your new ride! Enjoy in good health!!
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what are the wheel and tire specs?
Ordered 791M but it came in with the 790M. 790 come with summer tires. Now Ill have to get winter wheels. I was thinking Beyern multis 19 inch. I still have my old winter tires. Should look great. 18s show a lot of tire. 19s would look much better. Its ok the 19s on my f30 would go all the time. The roads here in New York are shameful.

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If that’s the biggest complaint, I can live with it!!

Awesome!! Congratulations on your new ride! Enjoy in good health!!
Thanks. You’re gonna love it.
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Biggest complaint is that there is NO text messaging system or emails other than through Apple Car Play. I hope BMW has a good reason for this as I see it as a huge step backwards!!!!
Think you need wireless charging to get the text message functionality. That's how they set up the packages in the later years of the f30/f32 looks like they carried it over to the G20.

They don't make it clear but bundled with wireless charging came "enhanced Bluetooth" which adds support for multiple phones and messaging. I would flag this to genius and poke at BMWNA.
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Think you need wireless charging to get the text message functionality. That's how they set up the packages in the later years of the f30/f32 looks like they carried it over to the G20.

They don't make it clear but bundled with wireless charging came "enhanced Bluetooth" which adds support for multiple phones and messaging. I would flag this to genius and poke at BMWNA.
You can probably code enhanced Bluetooth in with Bimmercode like with F30.
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