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      06-10-2019, 02:24 PM   #1
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MT: 330 M Sport vs. Giulia Ti Sport

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Can't say I'm surprised at the result. The quote "It's another instance of BMW telling you that the car is sporty rather than delivering the experience" hits the nail on the head and has been accurate for every redesign since 2010.

They really glossed over how mediocre the Alfa is aside from driving dynamics, but for a lot of us here that stuff is less important than how a car drives.
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I'd really like to know how the new passive dampers would do without RFT tires. BMW should really be sending the non-adaptive with Pilot 4S tires to the publications that obviously are biased towards driving dynamics like MT and C&D. Send the adaptive setups to the YouTube reviewers who just review the technology.

That said, the Giulia drives like the E90 and earlier 3 series so there's no doubt most auto journalists will love those cars.
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No surprise, the modern 3 series isn't aimed at driving enthusiasts. The G20 is something I would recommend my mom to drive. Alfa is what I would drive.
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No surprise, the modern 3 series isn't aimed at driving enthusiasts. The G20 is something I would recommend my mom to drive. Alfa is what I would drive.
I prefer my car interiors to not be made from the leftover Mazda parts bin.
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I prefer my car interiors to not be made from the leftover Mazda parts bin.
You mean FCA?

And youíre probably the G20 target audience. Someone who doesnít care about driving, but rather someone who just wants something quiet and comfortable to drive. I see previous 3 series owners moving on to competitor brands. IMO having driven the G20 330i, I feel like itís more aimed at Camry buyers looking for something upmarket.
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No surprise, the modern 3 series isn't aimed at driving enthusiasts. The G20 is something I would recommend my mom to drive. Alfa is what I would drive.
As I see it, BMW appeals (has to, to succeed) to a much wider market than the Alfa. Many buy into BMW because of the competence of the overall package, not just driving dynamics, and that includes many driving enthusiasts.

BMW 3-series out sales the Alfa Giulia in Europe about 10:1. Guess we know who has got the right package for the users?

Then we have the issue of 3 different suspensions and the same for wheel sizes. Which combination is the 'sweet spot' for any particular user? Only test driving will sort that out for an individual, not any motor magazine review/opinion. Or any other user opinion for that matter.
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As I see it, BMW appeals (has to, to succeed) to a much wider market than the Alfa. Many buy into BMW because of the competence of the overall package, not just driving dynamics, and that includes many driving enthusiasts.

BMW 3-series out sales the Alfa Giulia in Europe about 10:1. Guess we know who has got the right package for the users?

Then we have the issue of 3 different suspensions and the same for wheel sizes. Which combination is the 'sweet spot' for any particular user? Only test driving will sort that out for an individual, not any motor magazine review/opinion. Or any other user opinion for that matter.
You haven't said anything false, but what you are saying is that the means justify the ends. Essentially, it is OK for BMW to make luxury cars with some a sport mode since all that matters is sales numbers.

BMW has become too big and the world has become too global to produce what they used to, which was sports cars with some luxury sprinkled it. They can hit their sales targets all they want to, but it doesn't change the fact that they've watered down their products immensely. And it's a pure slap in the face to people like us who are at the core of the brand's identity.
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You mean FCA?

And you’re probably the G20 target audience. Someone who doesn’t care about driving, but rather someone who just wants something quiet and comfortable to drive. I see previous 3 series owners moving on to competitor brands. IMO having driven the G20 330i, I feel like it’s more aimed at Camry buyers looking for something upmarket.
It's been a while, weren't you the one claiming:

"I already own a Shelby GT500 a lamborghini murci a lotus Elise and a rx-8 for drifting if this helps" and also have three kids in college. Then you came back a while later and said you were graduating from college at 22 and were curious if you could afford to buy an M235. And now here you are commenting on the G20.

Is that all you or am I thinking of someone else?
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You mean FCA?

And you’re probably the G20 target audience. Someone who doesn’t care about driving, but rather someone who just wants something quiet and comfortable to drive. I see previous 3 series owners moving on to competitor brands. IMO having driven the G20 330i, I feel like it’s more aimed at Camry buyers looking for something upmarket.
Camry Driver's? Don't think so Simba. What is your purpose for being on this forum anyway?
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no shockers here, Alfa is really trying to appeal to BMW enthusiast who own E generation cars and don't want to move onto new BMWs, hell they even sponsored the recent Bimmerfest and had test drives there!

Sales numbers will never be as high for the Alfa as the 3 series, but Alfa is clearly going for the title of "The Ultimate Driving Machine."

https://www.motor1.com/news/353692/a...mmerfest-2019/
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No surprise, the modern 3 series isn't aimed at driving enthusiasts. The G20 is something I would recommend my mom to drive. Alfa is what I would drive.
I prefer my car interiors to not be made from the leftover Chrysler-Fiat parts bin.
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No surprise, the modern 3 series isn't aimed at driving enthusiasts. The G20 is something I would recommend my mom to drive. Alfa is what I would drive.
I prefer my car interiors to not be made from the leftover Mazda parts bin.
Your Fiat-Chrysler Alfa will spend a lot of time at the dealer, so mommy will pick you up from the service dept quite often.
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Your Fiat-Chrysler Alfa will spend a lot of time at the dealer, so mommy will pick you up from the service dept quite often.
Bimmers spend a lot of time at the dealer too, mine is there currently.

But yeah nothing is worse than anything related to Fiat and Chrysler, the worst from each side of the pond.
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no shockers here, Alfa is really trying to appeal to BMW enthusiast who own E generation cars and don't want to move onto new BMWs, hell they even sponsored the recent Bimmerfest and had test drives there!

Sales numbers will never be as high for the Alfa as the 3 series, but Alfa is clearly going for the title of "The Ultimate Driving Machine."

https://www.motor1.com/news/353692/a...mmerfest-2019/
Wow they are pretty serious.

I'll be in the market in roughly 3 yrs time and am thinking M2 or Boxster, but the Giulia deserves a hard look for sure.
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no shockers here, Alfa is really trying to appeal to BMW enthusiast who own E generation cars and don't want to move onto new BMWs, hell they even sponsored the recent Bimmerfest and had test drives there!

Sales numbers will never be as high for the Alfa as the 3 series, but Alfa is clearly going for the title of "The Ultimate Driving Machine."

https://www.motor1.com/news/353692/a...mmerfest-2019/
Except itís automatic only so itís DOA for me
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no shockers here, Alfa is really trying to appeal to BMW enthusiast who own E generation cars and don't want to move onto new BMWs, hell they even sponsored the recent Bimmerfest and had test drives there!

Sales numbers will never be as high for the Alfa as the 3 series, but Alfa is clearly going for the title of "The Ultimate Driving Machine."

https://www.motor1.com/news/353692/alfa-romeo-sponsors-bimmerfest-2019/
Except it’s automatic only so it’s DOA for me
I mean, so is the new 3 series...
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I mean, so is the new 3 series...
Right I mean you said appeal to the e generation enthusiasts....
canít do that with automatic only
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no shockers here, Alfa is really trying to appeal to BMW enthusiast who own E generation cars and don't want to move onto new BMWs, hell they even sponsored the recent Bimmerfest and had test drives there!

Sales numbers will never be as high for the Alfa as the 3 series, but Alfa is clearly going for the title of "The Ultimate Driving Machine."

https://www.motor1.com/news/353692/a...mmerfest-2019/
I'm one of these people - seriously considering the Giulia as my E-series replacement. I was unimpressed with the F series cars, however I'm holding out judgement on the G series until I get behind the wheel of one.
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I'm one of these people - seriously considering the Giulia as my E-series replacement. I was unimpressed with the F series cars, however I'm holding out judgement on the G series until I get behind the wheel of one.
General consensus of G chassis cars so far (based on reviews and my own test drives): improved from the F chassis cars, marginally better than comparable Mercs and Audis, but still not particularly sporty.

For us old heads they are nice cars but don't "feel" like BMWs, they drive like cars from any other major luxury brand. What differentiates BMWs anymore from everybody else?
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General consensus of G chassis cars so far (based on reviews and my own test drives): improved from the F chassis cars, marginally better than comparable Mercs and Audis, but still not particularly sporty.

For us old heads they are nice cars but don't "feel" like BMWs, they drive like cars from any other major luxury brand. What differentiates BMWs anymore from everybody else?
I would like to disagree, the front end of my g20 330i msport has a wonderful turn in. The front axle has a huge amount of grip, not even close to a a4.
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I'd really like to know how the new passive dampers would do without RFT tires. BMW should really be sending the non-adaptive with Pilot 4S tires to the publications that obviously are biased towards driving dynamics like MT and C&D. Send the adaptive setups to the YouTube reviewers who just review the technology.

That said, the Giulia drives like the E90 and earlier 3 series so there's no doubt most auto journalists will love those cars.
Good suggestions, but I don't think it would matter. In the end I suspect that MT and C&D would draw the same conclusions.
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