[Riccardog]

I have the 19" Goodyear Runflats on my G21 which come rated at 69Db and I believe there is a marked difference in road noise to other G21s I tested previously on the 18" staggered setup with runflats (not sure the tyre brand though).

Btw, looked on Blackcircles just now and the CrossClimate+ are rated 69Db for 19".

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Riccardog

Btw, looked on Blackcircles just now and the CrossClimate+ are rated 69Db for 19".

That's not what the official labelling says....

https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/tyres/411666

But at the size you're looking at it does seem the newer tyre is a bit noisier than the old so, if that matters to you, I can see why you might opt for the CrossClimate+.

ETA: And if you've got a few minutes to spare here are a couple of recent videos from Tyre Reviews that are worth watching; the first compares the CrossClimate+ to the CrossClimate2, the second is their 2021 All Season Tyre test....

[Charlie (Wessex)]

I'm pleased to be able to report that I contacted my 2 closest dealers. Talked to them, and then emailed them. They've both come back with the same......absolutely sweet FA. Really good to know that dealers are still completely as useless as they've always been. Not sure my motor will ever go to a dealer, as I've a brilliant indy (ex BMW master tech) around the corner.

[Charlie (Wessex)]

I've looked around for run flats in the staggered 19" and have found Pirelli WINTER SOTTOZERO. Think maybe Conti TS860 come in runflat as well.

Might have to go for those but really don't want a full winter.

[bmnut]

I ran Sottozero’s on my previous 440i albeit in ‘all square’ pattern and they were very good. Would have to say that my wife’s 120i coupe at the time running on Goodyear winter tyres felt even more sure footed.

[Rhino at Work]

Originally Posted by Charlie (Wessex)

I've looked around for run flats in the staggered 19" and have found Pirelli WINTER SOTTOZERO. Think maybe Conti TS860 come in runflat as well.

Might have to go for those but really don't want a full winter.

I had both of those on my F30s albeit on 18s. Not a lot in it really. If I had to choose I'd go with the Contis.

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Interesting, well at least to me.

The 2 dealers couldn't be arsed to get back to me, so I'll use my indy instead.

BMW Customer Services, who I wrote to, did get back to me, but nothing for a week now. That I think is utterly piss poor.

Michelin, who I contacted about whether their CrossClimate 2 came in run flat......this is the interesting one. They asked whether I was still under warranty as if not using star marked tyres, BMW might annul the warranty. They said the only star marked tyres in my size (staggered 19") were Pilot Sport but not run flat and summers.

This is all pretty Mickey Mouse from BMW UK. They sell cars but cannot tell you what tyres should be fitted for cold weather. So I think more drastic action needed. Time to email the hierarchy.

Actually one of the dealers was a Marshall's one. I am going out to dinner with a neighbour tomorrow who is a dealer principle for Marshall JLR so might bend his ear over this. It really shouldn't be rocket science, yet seemingly no one in BMW can give any answers.

[paulockenden]

As far as I can tell there aren't (currently) any * marked winter tyres for a staggered setup. The only option is to get a set of non-staggered rims for your winter tyres (18" would probably be more sensible if we're talking practicality over aesthetics, which is normally the case for winter wheels).

The good thing is, it's easier when your winter tyres are on their own rims because you can swap them over at home, whereas changing tyres isn't really a DIY thing.

[Scottish0177]

Originally Posted by paulockenden

As far as I can tell there aren't (currently) any * marked winter tyres for a staggered setup. The only option is to get a set of non-staggered rims for your winter tyres (18" would probably be more sensible if we're talking practicality over aesthetics, which is normally the case for winter wheels).

The good thing is, it's easier when your winter tyres are on their own rims because you can swap them over at home, whereas changing tyres isn't really a DIY thing.

Just googled BMW UK winter tyres…link took me to BMW accessories configurator.
Enter car details, choose winter , choose wheel rim size and it lists tyres BMW obviously happy with as they will sell them to you.both 19 and 18 inch recommended tyres they use are stated as star marked, the only tyres interestingly not star marked are Nokians, yet BMW happy to use them?

Gives both staggered and straight options

Hope this helps, but you may have seen this already

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Charlie (Wessex)

Michelin, who I contacted about whether their CrossClimate 2 came in run flat......this is the interesting one. They asked whether I was still under warranty as if not using star marked tyres, BMW might annul the warranty.

I don't think Michelin are right with what they've told you there. I had Goodyear AS2's fitted to my F31 335d (conventional rather than run-flat, not star marked but the same size, load and speed rating as the original equipment Bridgestone run-flats). At just over 60k miles the front differential became noisy and had to be replaced and it was all covered without question under the BMW extended warranty - if ever there was an opportunity for BMW to use the non-star marked tyre as an excuse to refuse a warranty claim it was for something like that (a driveline problem on an X-drive car) but they didn't.

I can see there might be an issue if you fit incorrect sizes and (possibly) load ratings but if the tyres are correct in all respects apart from having a star marking I think BMW would be on a hiding to nothing if they tried to refuse a warranty claim purely for that - the use of star marked tyres is only recommended by them, it's not mandatory!

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Originally Posted by Scottish0177

Just googled BMW UK winter tyres…link took me to BMW accessories configurator.
Enter car details, choose winter , choose wheel rim size and it lists tyres BMW obviously happy with as they will sell them to you.both 19 and 18 inch recommended tyres they use are stated as star marked, the only tyres interestingly not star marked are Nokians, yet BMW happy to use them?

Gives both staggered and straight options

Hope this helps, but you may have seen this already

If this is what you are on about - https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/topics/owne...figurator.html - then it seems that 19" are £3320 and 18" from £2280 for a spare set of alloys.

Out of interest, do 18" look a bit small on a M340i?

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I don't think Michelin are right with what they've told you there.

I think you must be right on that, given that on the configurator (link in post above) is listing many non star marked tyres as @Scottish0177 points out.

[JNW1]

Back on the original topic, I had a set of CrossClimate 2's fitted to Mrs JNW1's Cooper S yesterday. Obviously no opportunity so far to test their ability in cold weather but in these mild temperatures we've been enjoying (20 degrees here today!) I've not really been able to detect any downsides compared to the summer tyres they replaced (Michelin Primacy 3's).

So although it's very early days it's feeling like a good choice; I think the CrossClimate 2's will be absolutely fine in warmer weather and if they also have the sort of performance advantage the reviews suggest in cold weather it will be a real result!

[Charlie (Wessex)]

I'm edging towards CrossClimates and a space saver rattling around the boot.

[Riccardog]

The thing with the Crossclimates is that they are based on a summer tyre but adapted for winter. This is why they feel so "normal". Most other "all season" tyres are winter ones adapted for summer.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Riccardog

The thing with the Crossclimates is that they are based on a summer tyre but adapted for winter. This is why they feel so "normal". Most other "all season" tyres are winter ones adapted for summer.

From what I understand the previous generation CrossClimate was certainly more at the summer than winter end of the tyre spectrum; however, I'm not sure that's true of the latest CrossClimate 2? The tyre review linked earlier in the thread suggests that not only is it still very good in summer conditions, it's also now one of the best All Season tyres in winter conditions as well.

[Charlie (Wessex)]

I've used CrossClimates for years. Suits me perfectly on the south coast, and worked perfectly well in the Alps. When the beast from the east came, went out in my truck which has General Grabber AT3 which are also 3PMSF rated, and they were perfectly happy.

Basically if it snows here, I'm not going to drive, as far too many people in RWD cars and summer tyres.

[danorman777]

Originally Posted by Charlie (Wessex)

Basically if it snows here, I'm not going to drive, as far too many people in RWD cars and summer tyres.

This!!

I was out in some mild snow in my 5 series with full winter tyres. Going up a dual carriageway hill was fine for me but not the cars around me who all stopped. The Fiesta next to me just floored the gas and started fishtailing towards me!! Scary moment. Stay at home unless you really have to!!!

[Charlie (Wessex)]

Quick question about space saver .... is there a specific one that will fit on a staggered 19" set up (225/40/19 & 255/35/19)?

[jon0]

I went for 18s, 225/45/18 Pirelli sottozero series 3 * marked run flat on G20 330d xdrive - doesn’t look under wheeled and work very well

[rickkap]

My car was at the dealer recently for some warranty work and they noticed that 3 of the run flat tyres had bulges on them (probably from the previous owner). They wanted £851ish to replace them, i told them that i would think about it and started to look around. After week i hit a pot hole and ripped the front tyre.

I've never been a fan of run flats as i find the ride very hard and the interior to be road noisy so i decided to get CrossClimate 2 at the front and CrossClimate+ for the rear total (had these on my previous car and they were great in the winter. Total cost fitted £821 with £50 cashback via ASDA online.

Absolutely love these tyres!! the ride is quite and smooth, if fact so quite i can now here rattles in the door panel which I've only just noticed.

I know that there isn't any spare so i bought a can of type foam repair and a pump to get me to the local type shop if it happens again.

I wouldn't change these for anything else and definitely wouldn't ever fit run flats again.

[bmnut]

Originally Posted by rickkap

My car was at the dealer recently for some warranty work and they noticed that 3 of the run flat tyres had bulges on them (probably from the previous owner). They wanted £851ish to replace them, i told them that i would think about it and started to look around. After week i hit a pot hole and ripped the front tyre.

I've never been a fan of run flats as i find the ride very hard and the interior to be road noisy so i decided to get CrossClimate 2 at the front and CrossClimate+ for the rear total (had these on my previous car and they were great in the winter. Total cost fitted £821 with £50 cashback via ASDA online.

Absolutely love these tyres!! the ride is quite and smooth, if fact so quite i can now here rattles in the door panel which I've only just noticed.

I know that there isn't any spare so i bought a can of type foam repair and a pump to get me to the local type shop if it happens again.

I wouldn't change these for anything else and definitely wouldn't ever fit run flats again.

Each to their own and I can appreciate your views in support of non-runflats.
Back in 2007 I had an E92 335i and never had winter tyres. One biting cold winter's day and attempting to drive up the incline from my ice covered cul-de-sac to the main road and no way in hell was the car getting up that road. Put it back in the garage and used my wife's E87 120i coupe with winter run flats on and no problem at all.
A subsequent F32 440i worked extremely well with a set of 19" summer tyres (original production spec) and a set of 'all square' 18" winter run-flats. What I did notice with these though was due to pandemic lockdowns and the like the winters were on the car much longer than I would normally have ran them and consequently the wear rate increased significantly and the handling was affected being much less precise, the car wallowing much more.
My current M440i, and the first car I've had with x-drive hasn't been tested in winter conditions as yet so the jury's out with me at the moment as to whether or not I shell out on a set of winters for this car.
All climate tyres wouldn't be my preferred option as I feel they would be a compromise, namely not as good as summer tyres in the summer months and not as good as winter tyres in the winter months and from reading the posts on this forum it would appear the better makes are not available as run-flats.
Having had run-flats on my cars since 2007 and progressed through their development over the years I think the current ones are far and away better now than they used to be. I don't feel the ride and comfort is poor, the noise levels are not obtrusive and the safety and run-on-flat ability is worth it alone.
Indeed with only 1500 miles on my current car I picked up a piece of aluminium swarfe (not sure if that's how you spell it?) it basically looked like a kung fu throwing star, still don't know how I didn't see the damned thing, which sliced through my rear nearside tyre deflating it completely within minutes. We were 30 miles from home but the run flat capability got us back safe and sound (although the tyre temperature was 44 deg C by the time I put the car back in my garage!) so it did it's job. Two days later the car was at the local dealership and a replacement tyre supplied and fitted for £185.
Like I said at the start each to his own, I for one however, will stay with my summer run-flats and wait and see how bad the weather gets over the next few months and how the car copes with the deteriorating conditions before potentially deciding on a set of winter tyres. All I know though is if I do go down the winter tyres route they will be runflats.