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      01-26-2018, 05:23 PM   #2333
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Ok, 15 cars are more than sufficient to hold an informed opinion.

Q: how have your expectations wrt: M evolved over the years?

It's a leading question.

Perhaps I'm left-ice cold by BMW today because my perception is that the M concept used to represent a viable, more practical alternative to Porsche. Given that criteria, whether right or wrong, the answer is clear.
BMW M has never, in my opinion, been a competitor of Porsche and not really an alternative. M Division was started as a way to homologate their race cars. My expectations haven't changed. An M is the highest performance version is the model wearing the badge. That hasn't changed. M4 is still highest performance 4-series, M3 is highest performance 3-series. etc., etc.
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BMW M has never, in my opinion, been a competitor of Porsche and not really an alternative. M Division was started as a way to homologate their race cars. My expectations haven't changed. An M is the highest performance version is the model wearing the badge. That hasn't changed. M4 is still highest performance 4-series, M3 is highest performance 3-series. etc., etc.
Off topic question but I have often wondered myself.
If you would trade for a Porsche,what model/configuration at the M4 msrp that you currently drive would it be?
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      01-29-2018, 07:18 AM   #2336
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      01-29-2018, 07:42 AM   #2337
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What's funny about Biermann moving to N?

Biermann WAS the BMW M division when M was dominant and a real, more practical alternative to a Porsche 911.

Back in the day, people would ask "what kind of car is that?" referring to a BMW. They wondered what the attraction was for a foreign, compact, quirky, car that was unknown to the masses in N America.

If you didn't know, you just didn't.

A rational person could argue that there's more M DNA at Hyundai N division today (via Biermann), than there is in Munich.
Maybe you missed the quote I was commenting on.
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BMW M has never, in my opinion, been a competitor of Porsche and not really an alternative. M Division was started as a way to homologate their race cars. My expectations haven't changed. An M is the highest performance version is the model wearing the badge. That hasn't changed. M4 is still highest performance 4-series, M3 is highest performance 3-series. etc., etc.
Hmmm.

Porsche is the number one competitor for the last gen E9x M3, per BMW.

Maybe you meant the M4 is the highest performing 4-series, similar to the Prius Sport being the highest performing Prius?

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BMW M has never, in my opinion, been a competitor of Porsche and not really an alternative. M Division was started as a way to homologate their race cars. My expectations haven't changed. An M is the highest performance version is the model wearing the badge. That hasn't changed. M4 is still highest performance 4-series, M3 is highest performance 3-series. etc., etc.
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Hmmm.

Porsche is the number one competitor for the last gen E9x M3, per BMW.

Maybe you meant the M4 is the highest performing 4-series, similar to the Prius Sport being the highest performing Prius?
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      01-30-2018, 06:13 PM   #2340
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To be clear, the bold should emphasize the latter part: ...similar to the Prius Sport being the highest performing Prius?
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Anyone else love the looks they make when you pull up next to them at the lights or something?
They never make eye contact because they know what's up.
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what a lazy job on the stripes.
They were only on one side of the car too
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Not a fake badge, but man was this non-M visually over-done. Looked original silverstone with some RR style two tone and Porsche style 335i badge in the center of the trunk.
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Walking to the gym with my Boyz tonight and spotted this rare beauty, The Z4///M.
He Could've at least done a quick google image search and know that the real Z4 M didn't have the Z4 badge
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Not BMW but this one is a winner!
Aspirational license plate. I'm sure it will look great on the real thing once he gets it.

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