How about a 335i positioned between the 330i and M340i?

ted99 · 02-17-2019, 10:12 AM

How about a different way to the same end?

My 2017 F30 330e uses the 4 cyl from the 320i with electric assist. I'd like to see a future G20 “340e” instead use the 4 cyl from the 330i with electric assist.

I'd also like to see a 545e with the drivetrain from the new 745e and X5 45e which is a 6 cyl with electric assist.

That would be a matched pair for me.

openwheelracing · 02-17-2019, 11:04 AM

I want to see B48 with 40v system, with or without a battery. Then you can actually take advantage of a 4 banger. The current 330i by itself is already outdated.

No, it does not sound very good.

530iDriver · 02-17-2019, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by openwheelracing

I want to see B48 with 40v system, with or without a battery. Then you can actually take advantage of a 4 banger. The current 330i by itself is already outdated.

No, it does not sound very good.

According to BMW:

CLAR platform is designed to accommodate a plug-in hybrid and fully electric drivetrain and has a 48-volt electrical system.

openwheelracing · 02-17-2019, 06:36 PM

I am not keen on the G2X with full electric because the compromise with long hood does not sound appealing. A 48v mild hybrid makes sense and could be the saving grace for any BMW 4 banger. Unfortunately, it s not here.

Same reason a Merc C200 is hot and C300 is not.

bavarianride · 02-17-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by openwheelracing

I am not keen on the G2X with full electric because the compromise with long hood does not sound appealing. A 48v mild hybrid makes sense and could be the saving grace for any BMW 4 banger. Unfortunately, it s not here.

Same reason a Merc C200 is hot and C300 is not.

Is there any offiical bmwgroup release that says 2020 330e won't be 48V?

openwheelracing · 02-18-2019, 12:05 AM

Apple and oranges.

KoenG · 02-20-2019, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MT4life

When that happens we'll talk. Right now bigger engines are getting even more powerful every year. So 2.0 isn't catching up any time soon. I'm personally uncomfortable with any forced engine with more than 125-150 HP per liter for a daily driver. It just becomes an exercise in "because we can" at the cost of reliability

It seems plausibel that probably all of us would prefer a M5/8 competition as a daily, but still... most of us don't. I know for me, it's a decision between owning another house or a car that delivers stellar performance (of which I could only use ~30% in my vicinity).
So every one of use is trying to find the right balance, I6 is marvellous of course and still mechanical a near perfect setup, but I4 is certainly no longer near the punishment it was in the past. 4 cyls deliver now power and torque (and sound) galore like big fat V8 5.0 engines did in the nineties!
So forgive me for dreaming for an incredible effective 335i in the near future! It would be more than the car I really need to commute daily, and almost all the car I could dream of at the price that doesn't force my in daily justification for burning the cash towards my family.

So bring it on BMW, a sportsline 335i for me please and I would be seriously endulged.

Would the M3, irrespective of TCO be a better drive, probably, but TCO does matter!

hans007 · 02-20-2019, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KoenG

[It seems plausibel that probably all of us would prefer a M5/8 competition as a daily, but still... most of us don't. I know for me, it's a decision between owning another house or a car that delivers stellar performance (of which I could only use ~30% in my vicinity).
So every one of use is trying to find the right balance, I6 is marvellous of course and still mechanical a near perfect setup, but I4 is certainly no longer near the punishment it was in the past. 4 cyls deliver now power and torque (and sound) galore like big fat V8 5.0 engines did in the nineties!

I think about it the same way. I can afford both but the difference in price and gas / insurance etc for a 330 and 340 over 5 years is basically a free vacation a year. I'd rather have the vacation

MT4life · 02-21-2019, 06:47 AM

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I think about it the same way. I can afford both but the difference in price and gas / insurance etc for a 330 and 340 over 5 years is basically a free vacation a year. I'd rather have the vacation

Absolutely, if you have to sacrifice your vacation for a car I would get a 330 instead.

Cortexiphan · 02-21-2019, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hans007

I think about it the same way. I can afford both but the difference in price and gas / insurance etc for a 330 and 340 over 5 years is basically a free vacation a year. I'd rather have the vacation

If you get a 228i or a VW Golf, you can have more free vacations.

note46 · 02-21-2019, 10:57 AM

My personal view is that 330i with the 2TB is great. What I would prefer is if BMW offers a M performance tune and bump the hp by 25 and torque by 30. Maybe throw in a better (louder?) exhaust for $2-3K and have it all covered by factory warranty. No different then what they've done with past models.

hans007 · 02-21-2019, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

If you get a 228i or a VW Golf, you can have more free vacations.

I can see where you are coming from here, My point was just that people allocate their money to different things and getting a 330i or some sort of 330i + mppk vs spending more money on a m340i is a choice a lot of people make.

I know, I don't value spending as much of my income on how much power my car has past a certain point its mostly the same, and a 330i is in a pretty good sweet spot for power / car features. For some people a 320i might be it and thats fine too. I guess given so many people seem to make this same choice based on sales numbers its a pretty common conclusion people come to.

Cortexiphan · 02-21-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hans007

I can see where you are coming from here, My point was just that people allocate their money to different things and getting a 330i or some sort of 330i + mppk vs spending more money on a m340i is a choice a lot of people make.

I know, I don't value spending as much of my income on how much power my car has past a certain point its mostly the same, and a 330i is in a pretty good sweet spot for power / car features. For some people a 320i might be it and thats fine too. I guess given so many people seem to make this same choice based on sales numbers its a pretty common conclusion people come to.

Actually, I have driven the 330i xdrive today, and I am entirely convinced that it's a great engine, and you wouldn't miss as much as you'd think if you pick this one over the inline6. It's a very different animal than earlier F30 328i.

530iDriver · 02-22-2019, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

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Originally Posted by hans007

I can see where you are coming from here, My point was just that people allocate their money to different things and getting a 330i or some sort of 330i + mppk vs spending more money on a m340i is a choice a lot of people make.

I know, I don't value spending as much of my income on how much power my car has past a certain point its mostly the same, and a 330i is in a pretty good sweet spot for power / car features. For some people a 320i might be it and thats fine too. I guess given so many people seem to make this same choice based on sales numbers its a pretty common conclusion people come to.

Actually, I have driven the 330i xdrive today, and I am entirely convinced that it's a great engine, and you wouldn't miss as much as you'd think if you pick this one over the inline6. It's a very different animal than earlier F30 328i.

B46/B48 is really a sweet engine.

golf_234 · 02-27-2019, 11:27 AM

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I think about it the same way. I can afford both but the difference in price and gas / insurance etc for a 330 and 340 over 5 years is basically a free vacation a year. I'd rather have the vacation

We live in LA... it's already nice here. Just go up to Malibu for a weekend get the 340.

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ted99 Lieutenant 242 Rep 535 Posts Drives: former i3>330e, 528i>X5>530e Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	How about a different way to the same end? My 2017 F30 330e uses the 4 cyl from the 320i with electric assist. I'd like to see a future G20 “340e” instead use the 4 cyl from the 330i with electric assist. I'd also like to see a 545e with the drivetrain from the new 745e and X5 45e which is a 6 cyl with electric assist. That would be a matched pair for me.
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openwheelracing Captain 192 Rep 814 Posts Drives: 5 different 3 Series Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Santa Barbara, CA iTrader: (0)	I want to see B48 with 40v system, with or without a battery. Then you can actually take advantage of a 4 banger. The current 330i by itself is already outdated. No, it does not sound very good.
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openwheelracing Captain 192 Rep 814 Posts Drives: 5 different 3 Series Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Santa Barbara, CA iTrader: (0)	I am not keen on the G2X with full electric because the compromise with long hood does not sound appealing. A 48v mild hybrid makes sense and could be the saving grace for any BMW 4 banger. Unfortunately, it s not here. Same reason a Merc C200 is hot and C300 is not.
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openwheelracing Captain 192 Rep 814 Posts Drives: 5 different 3 Series Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Santa Barbara, CA iTrader: (0)	Apple and oranges.
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note46 Lieutenant 255 Rep 437 Posts Drives: M Coupe, 328d SW, i4 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Bay iTrader: (1)	My personal view is that 330i with the 2TB is great. What I would prefer is if BMW offers a M performance tune and bump the hp by 25 and torque by 30. Maybe throw in a better (louder?) exhaust for $2-3K and have it all covered by factory warranty. No different then what they've done with past models.
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