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      12-10-2017, 06:40 PM   #155
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Why not introduce a powerful, exclusive, great sounding 3.2L TT V6 for your best selling M platform?
BMW is a stright-6 company. It's just what they do. MB, makes beafy sounding v8's, Porsche makes flat-6's. A 3.2 v6 is something Nissan does.

I do think some extensive tuning could be in the future of this car as far as exhaust is concerned, but I like how the s55 sounds...maybe not more than my s62 though.
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Why not introduce a powerful, exclusive, great sounding 3.2L TT V6 for your best selling M platform?
BMW is a stright-6 company. It's just what they do. MB, makes beafy sounding v8's, Porsche makes flat-6's. A 3.2 v6 is something Nissan does.

I do think some extensive tuning could be in the future of this car as far as exhaust is concerned, but I like how the s55 sounds...maybe not more than my s62 though.
BMW has developed multiple V6 engines in the past. Also, the days of BMW being an specific company are over. The M brand was an NA brand once, a non-AWD brand once and a non-SUV brand once. Those days are gone. They keep loosing more and more M customers with each new model release.
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The grapevine suggests they used an Alfa Romeo muffler for that hack job. It is Ferrari engineered after all...
That’s certainly one way to improve the BMW’s sound. Although, I’m betting it is more of giant Active Sound Module connected to a loud bullhorn.
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Of course he does!

And let me tell you about the sales numbers of the BMW minivan, I mean 2 series whatever it’s called. Or BMW i3 ...wait, nevermind about that.
If you mean the 2er Active Tourer? Globally sales show increase month after month. The LCI Active Tourer debuts in Geneva this coming March.
And the i3? It's met its initial target and it holds the best selling EV of the premium compact segment in several markets across Europe.
New X3 is sold out for 6 months. 5er is the best selling executive car in the segment.
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Why not introduce a powerful, exclusive, great sounding 3.2L TT V6 for your best selling M platform?
BMW is a stright-6 company. It's just what they do. MB, makes beafy sounding v8's, Porsche makes flat-6's. A 3.2 v6 is something Nissan does.

I do think some extensive tuning could be in the future of this car as far as exhaust is concerned, but I like how the s55 sounds...maybe not more than my s62 though.
BMW has developed multiple V6 engines in the past. Also, the days of BMW being an specific company are over. The M brand was an NA brand once, a non-AWD brand once and a non-SUV brand once. Those days are gone. They keep loosing more and more M customers with each new model release.
'They keep losing more m customers.... '. From what I understand their m sales have never been higher.

All those old m customers must have switched to buying Porsche's and AMGs. Or maybe they just stopped buying cars.
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Why not introduce a powerful, exclusive, great sounding 3.2L TT V6 for your best selling M platform?
BMW is a stright-6 company. It's just what they do. MB, makes beafy sounding v8's, Porsche makes flat-6's. A 3.2 v6 is something Nissan does.

I do think some extensive tuning could be in the future of this car as far as exhaust is concerned, but I like how the s55 sounds...maybe not more than my s62 though.
BMW has developed multiple V6 engines in the past. Also, the days of BMW being an specific company are over. The M brand was an NA brand once, a non-AWD brand once and a non-SUV brand once. Those days are gone. They keep loosing more and more M customers with each new model release.
'They keep losing more m customers.... '. From what I understand their m sales have never been higher.

All those old m customers must have switched to buying Porsche's and AMGs. Or maybe they just stopped buying cars.
Current M customers. There were times that M customers keep coming back for their next M. Now, they just move on.

It's a game of semantics. Of course their M sales have never been higher. If you make everything an M car, you can make that claim. Like the i3 claim above, "best selling EV in the premium compact segment". When you make up a category that you dominate, you'll be #1 always.

I've owned 8 BMWs in the past 14 years and my first at just 21. Not everyone can make that claim. The brand kept bringing me back for more. After the F30, The 3-series became VWs with a roundel. I daily an i3 and currently waiting for the X5 and the 8-series to debut. I hope I'm not disappointed.

I've already moved on from the M3/M4 and so has everyone else I know.
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Well that was almost hinted at when the rumor was to call coupes the 4 series and M4 some 4 or 5 years ago. It sounded like they plan to separate out these cars over time. The name was first. Maybe front ends will be next. Then who knows how far they split the 3/4 apart
Ask anyone who has seen the next generation G22 4er with its CSL Hommage style tall kidney grille.
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You feel BMW still has the same excitement behind the ///M brand as it once did?
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Current M customers. There were times that M customers keep coming back for their next M. Now, they just move on.

It's a game of semantics. Of course their M sales have never been higher. If you make everything an M car, you can make that claim. Like the i3 claim above, "best selling EV in the premium compact segment". When you make up a category that you dominate, you'll be #1 always.

I've owned 8 BMWs in the past 14 years and my first at just 21. Not everyone can make that claim. The brand kept bringing me back for more. After the F30, The 3-series became VWs with a roundel. I daily an i3 and currently waiting for the X5 and the 8-series to debut. I hope I'm not disappointed.

I've already moved on from the M3/M4 and so has everyone else I know.

I've owned 6 BMWs in the last 10 years, hands down it's the best car in the segment.
I dont see myself driving a Mustang or Camaro my other option was the 911 but a $120k car that my M4 can beat with just a $3k set of coilovers and square steup, no thanks.

And i havent yet had a 911 on coilovers beat my times around the track so...
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I’m new here so excuse my ignorance. I was hoping to order a F80 M3 for 2019 but from what Im hearing and have found upon searching is the F80 is ending production in 2018. So what’s going to happen for 2019 if the G80 isn’t coming out till 2020? If you want to order a M3 in early 2019 are you SOL?

Will they just not have a M3 model for 2019? Will they extend the F80 another so many months? I’m so confused.

Back up plan....find an existing 2018 on a lot or order an Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio?
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Will they extend the F80 another so many months? I’m so confused.
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So what’s going to happen for 2019 if the G80 isn’t coming out till 2020? If you want to order a M3 in early 2019 are you SOL?
You are SOL. For the folks who wanted a four door M3 when the E90 ended in 2011, there was no replacement M3 sedan until model year 2015.
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I’m new here so excuse my ignorance. I was hoping to order a F80 M3 for 2019 but from what Im hearing and have found upon searching is the F80 is ending production in 2018. So what’s going to happen for 2019 if the G80 isn’t coming out till 2020? If you want to order a M3 in early 2019 are you SOL?

Will they just not have a M3 model for 2019? Will they extend the F80 another so many months? I’m so confused.

Back up plan....find an existing 2018 on a lot or order an Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio?
See this thread of EOP (end of production)
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=901686

Basically, F80 M3 is ending production by 10/18, which is the same time when the F30 is ending prod.
M4 coupe ending 06/20 and M4 vert ending 10/20.

Since M3/M4 share most of the components, next gen is M3/M4 will be released sometime (6-8 months?) after 10/20.
Based on historical 7 year lifecycle for M3, my best guess would be the next gen M3/M4 will be available for sale around summer of 2021
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I’m not so sure - there’s no network here for the recharging of electric cars. And the country is HUGE. People are accustomed to being able to drive wherever they want, whenever they want. The current tech around electric doesn’t allow for that. I, for one, have no interest in an electric car...and that perception and reality is going to have to change on a macro level if the manufacturers want the US to pay attention.

Additionally, the vast network of gas stations has also taken a very long time to get built up - until there’s an alternative fuel choice that allows for the same sort of freedom of movement, you aren’t going to see widespread adoption here. We don’t have the public transportation options you see in Europe, and no one I know is riding a bicycle to work in Dallas.

PS - to put it in perspective, the US is roughly the same population as most of Europe put together. So when Norway says no ICE by whenever, it’s roughly the same thing as Minnesota or Indiana saying the same thing. That’s not a criticism, just an attempt at perspective.

I would also maintain that there are more Americans than Indians or Chinese folks who can afford a car...so while the symbolic gesture of some of these countries is very encouraging to the environmental cause, it’s not as impactful as if the US would take a similar position. And I really do think many in the US would be interested in more environmentally friendly approaches...just not at the expense of the freedom of movement to which we’ve become accustomed.

Even though US vehicle sales roughly the same as Europe combined, US gave up the crown as the biggest car market 10 years ago.

Total YTD annual vehicle sales in US is around 18 Million while China is at 30 million as of now. Not to mention the car sales have plateaued in US while car sales in China have been growing rapidly every year. The car sales in China could be growing even more rapidly but they're artificially limiting car registrations since the traffic and pollution is a huge issue. That's why every car manufacturer who wants to survive and do business in China will have to make EV cars and whatnot to cater to the biggest market in the world.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...-vehicle-sales
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/total-vehicle-sales
https://www.best-selling-cars.com/in...ide-car-sales/

And there is a network for charging cars right now from Tesla and it's rapidly expanding. Yes, EVs aren't going to take over overnight as EV sales only make about 1% of total vehicle sales but expect to see rapid expansion over the next few decades
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Even though US vehicle sales roughly the same as Europe combined, US gave up the crown as the biggest car market 10 years ago.

Total YTD annual vehicle sales in US is around 18 Million while China is at 30 million as of now. Not to mention the car sales have plateaued in US while car sales in China have been growing rapidly every year. The car sales in China could be growing even more rapidly but they're artificially limiting car registrations since the traffic and pollution is a huge issue. That's why every car manufacturer who wants to survive and do business in China will have to make EV cars and whatnot to cater to the biggest market in the world.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...-vehicle-sales
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/total-vehicle-sales
https://www.best-selling-cars.com/in...ide-car-sales/

And there is a network for charging cars right now from Tesla and it's rapidly expanding. Yes, EVs aren't going to take over overnight as EV sales only make about 1% of total vehicle sales but expect to see rapid expansion over the next few decades
Very good points - I just don’t think the ICE will be killed off as quickly as some might think. There are too many realized and sunken costs associated with that type of engine and the ancilary businesses that support it for it to be sent packing so easily.
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If you mean the 2er Active Tourer? Globally sales show increase month after month. The LCI Active Tourer debuts in Geneva this coming March.
And the i3? It's met its initial target and it holds the best selling EV of the premium compact segment in several markets across Europe.
New X3 is sold out for 6 months. 5er is the best selling executive car in the segment.
Can you buy the i3 in the US right now? Actually you can’t.

And the 2series minivan sales are very impressive. I would be so proud to have such a car. It’s quite the looker and performer.
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And the 2series minivan sales are very impressive. I would be so proud to have such a car. It’s quite the looker and performer.
My parents got one as a loaner earlier this year and even my mother refused to drive the thing.
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BMW has developed multiple V6 engines in the past. Also, the days of BMW being an specific company are over. The M brand was an NA brand once, a non-AWD brand once and a non-SUV brand once. Those days are gone. They keep loosing more and more M customers with each new model release.
Please be specific about these "multiple V6 engines in the past" (production engines). They have developed a prototype V6 for the F8X M3/M4 mule.
If M division developed a TT 3.2 V6, it would be so radical and it would have no direct link to any BMW engine, that it may totally screw up and lose tons of customers. Furthermore, M doesn't really do bespoked M engines any more. So for them to develop a V6, the cheapest option would require them to lop off 2 cylinders from the current M V8, and develop it from there. It just wouldn't seem worth the risk.
Also, in your post before that, you said that AMG used the same engines for their cars from C to S. BMW has done the same from time to time. They took the engine from the M1 and put it in the M5 and "M6". And the S54 from the e46 M3 and put it in the Z3 M, and Z4 M. The S62 was used in the Z8 and the e39 M5. And there are probably other examples that I haven't listed.
It works for Mercedes/AMG because there is less money spent on bespoked engines for each car line, and there shows a direct lineage. Kinda like Chevy and the SS line back in the 60s and 70s, and Dodge's R/T line as well.
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