[JamRWS6]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

An M3/4 with 6 MT does 12.4 @ 117 and it has 40 more HP and weighs a couple hundred lbs less than the M340. The xDrive hooks up so 12.6s sounds about right. The 112 trap seems legit also. A 2016 C450 with 362 HP did 13.1 @ 108. This BMW is substantially faster. Wait until instrumented tests come out from the major mags for legitimacy.

A 2016 340i with 40 less hp outruns a C450. Newest C43 with identical 385Hp will be the comparison to this car.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Yeah but G20 platform may have the sensors in different places, base boost will be different (jb4 works by adding x boost over stock, and without knowing what the new base is, could lead to trouble), and DME will be tied to the G platform which may make flash tuning hard to crack, and even if it wasn't, boost and timing will be different given the new base tune for both cars. Point is that it's not a simple plug and play, and will require a bit of development. Remember both engines have different numbers (hp and tq) from their F30 predecessors despite being the same engine code.

True, but you can tune an MPPSK car with the same jb4 as a stock car, though it may be more different than that. I believe the JB4 is for all B58 currently, in the F30 as well as G30.

[440xiGCMSport2]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

If that were true it would have a manual transmission option. Just saying. It's a poser M car. Plain and Simple

I love manual transmissions but to say a car doesn't have manual is a poser car is ridiculous. Do you know how many Ferraris or F1's are manual? Before when auto's were slow as hell you would have a point. Now that they are faster makes the manual nice to have but it no longer means it is a poser car.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMSport2

I love manual transmissions but to say a car doesn't have manual is a poser car is ridiculous. Do you know how many Ferraris or F1's are manual? Before when auto's were slow as hell you would have a point. Now that they are faster makes the manual nice to have but it no longer means it is a poser car.

It's a poser car because there are M badges slapped all over the thing and it's not an ///M. Hell their whole lineup is fake ///Ms at this point

BMW is great at ///Marketing to all the Joe Shmoo's

[440xiGCMSport2]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

It's a poser car because there are M badges slapped all over the thing and it's not an ///M. Hell their whole lineup is fake ///Ms at this point

BMW is great at ///Marketing to all the Joe Shmoo's

Totally agree about badges. Stupidest marketing gimmick. I had them take them off my car before delivery. They asked my why and I said is it designed by M or does it use and M exclusive engine? They said nope than I said take off the badges. They looked puzzled.😀

[M3tallicar]

Lower part of the bumper reminds me of a 911 GTS...

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

It's a poser car because there are M badges slapped all over the thing and it's not an ///M. Hell their whole lineup is fake ///Ms at this point

BMW is great at ///Marketing to all the Joe Shmoo's

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMSport2

Totally agree about badges. Stupidest marketing gimmick. I had them take them off my car before delivery. They asked my why and I said is it designed by M or does it use and M exclusive engine? They said nope than I said take off the badges. They looked puzzled.😀

BMWAG has been doing factory M Sport models for forty years. It’s absolutely nothing new.

[BMthusiast]

The ghastly grille is now forgivable.

[04cobra]

I mean my SVT cobra ran that pretty much stock back in 2004. I guess this is still quick, feel like it should be faster? No?

[HitmanHearns]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

I mean my SVT cobra ran that pretty much stock back in 2004. I guess this is still quick, feel like it should be faster? No?

You know what's funny? I texted my friend that exact thing when I saw the numbers.

03-04 cobras usually made around 380rwhp (370-390 depending on dyno) stock @ 3650 pounds.

So is it safe to say the M340i comes with about 380whp from factory? Not too shabby.

Man, I will always have a soft spot for 03-04 cobras.

[440xiGCMSport2]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

BMWAG has been doing factory M Sport models for forty years. It’s absolutely nothing new.

They may have but they didn't start sticking M badges and renaming the cars till now.

[themnmd]

Aside from all nit picking here, I thought it was a pretty positive review. Is it 10/10 ? No but a solid 8.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMSport2

They may have but they didn't start sticking M badges and renaming the cars till now.

They 100% followed Mercedes on this.

I would say Audi too but Audi has has the S versions for years (not full blown RS cars). Audi was just lucky that taking 1 letter off was possible and no one cared. It's still marketing the same as BMW is now doing it.

They tried other ways first, so you know this wasn't their first choice, like the "is" badge which was horrible. They had to capitalize on the M brand name which you can't blame them for it's a business after all. But I do wish there was another way. And at the very least they shouldn't put m badges all over the damn thing. Just keep it to rear badge.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

BMWAG has been doing factory M Sport models for forty years. It’s absolutely nothing new.

That doesn't make it any less cheesy. Just saying

[movietub]

Just for the sake of perspective... Reports all over the place of tesla model 3 hitting 60 in LESS than 3.5 seconds, which I questioned initially, given that tesla themselves say 5.1 seconds!! (since revised as it was clearly BS). But then one owner did the quarter in 11.85 seconds, so the 0-60 is probably about right. And the car is currently changing hands at US dealers with some upgrades for $50k

This I think is worth baring in mind when considering where the performance of the 340i fits in. If you can get one on a good lease deal, no brainer. But buying outright would worry me (for any performance IC car) right now, as the performance bar in a few years time when you look to re-sell the car, could be very different.

I'm not saying the Tesla is a direct comparison, and god knows what it handles like.. But it's very, very clear that the current level of electric performance can quite easily create a car at a comparable price that can pull the pants down on an IC equivalent. It's just a matter of time before one is packaged in a way that does compete/compare directly with a performance 3er, and probably at a similar price point. Personally I'm hoping that the firm to put out such a car first is BMW

[FotiosF90M5]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

So 4 seconds flat with x drive?

That car was an xi. Rwd would be a bit slower.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by evo-mike

That's what my stock Evo 9 ran....$32k and 12 years ago.

Maybe modified. The Evo's (and STI's) were quick 0-60 but 1/4 miles were mid-13's if you launched right. And traps were just over 100 mph. Not close to 12.6 at 112 mph. My previous 335 xdrive manual ran 13.6 and 106 and it's night and day to my M which trapped 116 stock.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...trumented-test

[trey100]

Originally Posted by svr21

The tires slipped too much. It was my first and only run.

That's ok. I ran a 13.0 with my manual M3. The car is hard to launch but once it grips it picks up speed much better than my previous 335. We have a lot of magazine racers here with AWD and automatic transmissions that just hit the gas and go. The trap speed shows the potential of the car and 112 is very good for a non-M 3 series.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by FotiosF80M3

That car was an xi. Rwd would be a bit slower.

Makes sense since I'm at 355 hp and 369 torque with mppsk so less hp but the same torque RWD and can do it in 4.6 so 4.4 for the M340i would sound about right.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by phoenixbmwlife

Am I the only one that thinks 12.6 and 112mph trap speed is not that impressive? I think if it was a 12.4 and 117mph trap speed then for a non M car I would be impressed. Not much difference I know but 12.6 is not that much better than a 2018 340i with xDrive. But compare 12.4 to the old 340i and that's my would be impressive.

The 340 was a low 13 (13.3) car per this road test and at a low trap speed of 104. I'm sure there are tests that show it dipping into the 12's but in general, I agree that with the extra 50 or so HP, this new car will be a few tenths faster. The 112 trap speed is impressive.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ve-test-review

[JayPichardo]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

True, but you can tune an MPPSK car with the same jb4 as a stock car, though it may be more different than that. I believe the JB4 is for all B58 currently, in the F30 as well as G30.

I took the JB+ from my 440i and into my X3 M40i and it works

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by NH_F36

I took the JB+ from my 440i and into my X3 M40i and it works

Looks like we have a mod friendly SA for those in the area!