[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by Slip_Angle

The G70 3.3T performance numbers vs the M340i aren't far apart. The launch is really the biggest difference but in terms of on a roll it's not huge. The handling and overall package the G70 competes very well. Both great cars

While the G70 is a great car I've roll raced one and I destroyed it. It wasn't even close. In fact the guy accused me of being tuned.

[Slip_Angle]

Originally Posted by EXE46

I wouldn't put much stock in that opinionated statement from a member who once proclaimed Michelins PS4S tires suck"lol.



This is golden, have you attempted to race one on the streets? Even from a roll in comfort mode G70 gets killed, no contest. Not all of us utilize LC especially in DD. G70 stands no chance in keeping up in he real world stock for stock.

I haven't but I've seen a few on YT and for sure the M340 wins every time but it's not running away. Also consider these C&D numbers. All but the launch are decently close?

Genesis G70
0-60 mph: 4.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec

BMW M340i
0-60 mph: 3.8 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.9 sec

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by rostrata

Own an M340iX and drove the new TLX Type S on three separate occasions. The last two times I was able to actually put it through some real driving tests to get a sense for dynamics.

First… the Type S is slower. No doubt about that. Second, the Type S handling far exceeds that of the M340. Road feel and turn-in are excellent. Steering isn’t overly weighted. Has the steering feel closer to that of a 911 (yes, that’s a fact because I’ve owned a 911 and can attest to it). I didn’t say the driving dynamics of a 911, either. So don’t confuse the two. I’m talking about steering feel alone. Three, transmission precision and response.. excellent. Even though the 340 is quicker, it feels sluggish as fuck compared to the Type S. Fourth, handling and traction is Excellent.even on crappy P7s it didn’t let the back end slide out. In a hard corner suggesting the suspension tuning and balance is excellent, much like my old Audi A4. The 340 would have drifted halfway across the road. I know that is in part due to the LSD. But still. Should be able to get more grip from a supposed sports sedan. Fifth… the infotainment system on the Type S is a pain in the ass and it is fully centered, not facing the driver. The 340 is much easier to manipulate and more intuitive. The Type S made me not even want to mess with it which drops its usefulness significantly.

My two cents… if you don’t give a fuck about the infotainment system and you don’t care to be a bit slower, the Type S is hard to beat. If you still give a shit about those things and want to keep everything at your fingertips and are willing to make your own suspension adjustments and tweaks to gain more road feel and the steering wheel weight doesn’t bother you, keep the 340.

Not sure how the M340 feels "sluggish as fuck" compared to the 5 second TLX that weighs 80 pounds less than an MDX. I actually test drove the TLX and it feels slow and heavy.

[PLF69]

G series M340i is almost the same performance metrics as the old F series M3.

I don't find it odd that it costs more than the Acura or Genesis products since it's pretty much superior in all aspects be it performance or luxury/refinement.

I've never owned a car wich such a wide spectrum of personality between luxury/comfort and performance/sporty manners.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by TruthOne

Not sure how the M340 feels "sluggish as fuck" compared to the 5 second TLX that weighs 80 pounds less than an MDX. I actually test drove the TLX and it feels slow and heavy.

I would like to know how TLX uses its weights, e.g. if chassis is reinforced to withstand 100mph crash then it will be of some value to some

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by TruthOne

Not sure how the M340 feels "sluggish as fuck" compared to the 5 second TLX that weighs 80 pounds less than an MDX. I actually test drove the TLX and it feels slow and heavy.

Did you not see my post lol. This is from the same person who made a thread saying the worlds best Summer high performance tire sucks.

The Type S has inferior transmission too so if we are talking sluggish the Acura takes the cake. Nothing sluggish about the ZF unless one is driving in ECO lol.

[rostrata]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Did you not see my post lol. This is from the same person who made a thread saying the worlds best Summer high performance tire sucks.

The Type S has inferior transmission too so if we are talking sluggish the Acura takes the cake. Nothing sluggish about the ZF unless one is driving in ECO lol.

Awe. You don’t like my opinion about tires so that automatically makes my opinion wrong? Cute.

Now, boys and girls that understand reading comprehension, I did say that I didn’t mean the TLX was faster. As I specifically pointed out because I know some read at a first grade level, that it was merely the responsiveness of the transmission. Yes, even slower cars can feel quick if geared and powered correctly. The 340 is not as quick to pull off the line. But once it does, it goes. The TLX, on the other hand, doesn’t quite “go” and I wish they had leveled the power up to at least 400/400 to get the most out of it.

Anyway. I’ll leave you with your Reading Rainbow segments. Good day.

[rostrata]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

How is Type S's cornering capability? Does it perform as good as G20 RWD?

Far better. I went into a corner hard as I dared to take it on a demo and there wasn’t even a scant slip. The G20 RWD would have danced a bit.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by rostrata

Awe. You don't like my opinion about tires so that automatically makes my opinion wrong? Cute.

Now, boys and girls that understand reading comprehension, I did say that I didn't mean the TLX was faster. As I specifically pointed out because I know some read at a first grade level, that it was merely the responsiveness of the transmission. Yes, even slower cars can feel quick if geared and powered correctly. The 340 is not as quick to pull off the line. But once it does, it goes. The TLX, on the other hand, doesn't quite "go" and I wish they had leveled the power up to at least 400/400 to get the most out of it.

Anyway. I'll leave you with your Reading Rainbow segments. Good day.

Isn't it ironic that you're the one that lack reading comprehension. Nowhere did I mention faster beside everyone knows the TLX is the slowest car in the group. You said that your M340i is sluggish compared to the Acura and everyone but you would make that declaration. Especially when the ZF is the most responsive auto there is period.

Of all the reviews you're the first one that shared this opinion, watch the throttle house review and see what they thought of the TLX compared to the competition. You noticed I didn't argue steering feel because that is subjective and we all know the bmw doesn't have the best feel.

One of the strengths of the bimmer is the responsiveness of the ZF. The Acura transmission is inferior to the ZF8, that's a universal truth. If your car is sluggish it's due to the driver.

[springerdrive]

Originally Posted by rostrata

The 340 is not as quick to pull off the line.

Seriously?!

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by EXE46

One of the strengths of the bimmer is the responsiveness of the ZF. The Acura transmission is inferior to the ZF8, that's a universal truth. If your car is sluggish it's due to the driver.

Yes, the ZF8 + BMW programming makes AT in my F30 and now G20 shifts more competently than my layman MT skills.

I do notice that F30 ZF + engine throttle map combo is more responsive and preppy than G20, I think G20 is more tuned for fuel efficiency than F30.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by rostrata

Far better. I went into a corner hard as I dared to take it on a demo and there wasn’t even a scant slip. The G20 RWD would have danced a bit.

I think the M340i RWD rear dancing is an endearing feature to many M340i owners.

My 330i RWD rear can't dance, but it holds corners pretty well.

[TiMSport]

I'm sorry but this whole conversation about the TLX Type S being a better handling car than the M340ix is a joke. M340i being sluggish and not as quick off the line is bullshit as well. I'd like an explanation of this statement.

"Even though the 340 is quicker, it feels sluggish as fuck compared to the Type S. Fourth, handling and traction is Excellent.even on crappy P7s it didn’t let the back end slide out. In a hard corner suggesting the suspension tuning and balance is excellent, much like my old Audi A4. The 340 would have drifted halfway across the road. I know that is in part due to the LSD. But still. Should be able to get more grip from a supposed sports sedan."

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Did you not see my post lol. This is from the same person who made a thread saying the worlds best Summer high performance tire sucks.

The Type S has inferior transmission too so if we are talking sluggish the Acura takes the cake. Nothing sluggish about the ZF unless one is driving in ECO lol.

I saw it after the fact lol

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

I'm sorry but this whole conversation about the TLX Type S being a better handling car than the M340ix is a joke. M340i being sluggish and not as quick off the line is bullshit as well. I'd like an explanation of this statement.

"Even though the 340 is quicker, it feels sluggish as fuck compared to the Type S. Fourth, handling and traction is Excellent.even on crappy P7s it didn't let the back end slide out. In a hard corner suggesting the suspension tuning and balance is excellent, much like my old Audi A4. The 340 would have drifted halfway across the road. I know that is in part due to the LSD. But still. Should be able to get more grip from a supposed sports sedan."

That's the type of bullshit you'll read on Acurazine by Type S fanboys. Their logic is insane. They say things like"nobody cares about speed or 0-60" then will turn around and say wait until there's a tune for the type s , it will walk M340's. Meanwhile an M340 tuned will obliterate their tuned type s. Shit I don't even think a tuned Type S will be able to hang with a stock M340

[TiMSport]

LOL, no shit. It's insanity. Why do these guys never talk about tuning an M340i?

[Slip_Angle]

Originally Posted by TruthOne

That's the type of bullshit you'll read on Acurazine by Type S fanboys. Their logic is insane. They say things like"nobody cares about speed or 0-60" then will turn around and say wait until there's a tune for the type s , it will walk M340's. Meanwhile an M340 tuned will obliterate their tuned type s. Shit I don't even think a tuned Type S will be able to hang with a stock M340

Agree. I would even be willing to bet on it.

[GD1981]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

LOL, no shit. It's insanity. Why do these guys never talk about tuning an M340i?

lol, Bad assumption on their end thinking m340i owners wouldn’t tune their car. I’m running JB4 Map 5 on E30 + AA DP(w/MPE) and I’m confident I’d put a few buses on a tuned TLX-S. The way I see it, they better get upgraded turbos to hang with a tuned M340i.

[TiMSport]

I'm starting to think one of our fellow owners needs to turn in their M340 and get a Honda.

[Burrcold]

This is starting to play out like a F&F script.

[GD1981]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

I'm starting to think one of our fellow owners needs to turn in their M340 and get a Honda.

Seriously.

Admittedly I haven’t driven a TLX-S so I can’t compare it with the M340i other than the raw performance numbers that have been published, eg 0-60, 1/4 etc.

I am curious though to drive it around the twisties and how it performs - though I have a hard time believing it’d be better than an M340i dressed in PS4’s.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

This is starting to play out like a F&F script.

Tokyo Drift anyone?