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      08-11-2019, 03:45 PM   #111
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A lot of new cars coming out with no manual options. The new C8 Vette, the Mustang GT500 and a slew of other performance cars. I think it could be a good position for BMW to be in. A lot of people who want a manual could be drawn to BMW who want a high end car.

Otherwise we will have just Mustang GTs and Mopars that have manuals as the death of the Camaro was just announced.

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Sorry, I must have missed that with all the mid engine hype. The new Corvette will not have a manual??
Automatic only. GM said the take rate of the manual was over 50% when the C7 was introduced in 2014 but it has fallen to less than 20%. GM said they could justify the engineering, development, testing, tuning, and certification costs for a manual with such a low take rate.
There won't be a traditional manual but the DCT could potentially be used for a stick shift ... I'm speculating a lot but it seems like a "stick by wire" kind of idea. Same transmission but different application. Cool tech if they can make it feel realistic... just like electronic steering had gotten better and even acceptable to most people, this could be a nice way to keep the third pedal alive.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/mid-...-shift-theory/
Could but highly doubtful. The chief engineer said in the same interview that changing the DCT to a "manual by wire" would still require separate testing, tuning, and certification and it would be "really hard to justify the costs".
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Its clear to me now that Porsche remains most committed to the enthusiast driving experience and they have seen their competitions brand strategy and have cleverly positioned theirs to avoid some of the pitfalls. GT4/Spyder with N/A engines and 6MT? And word that the regular 718/Boxsters may go back to NA? Call me a dreamer but I'm even hoping they'll find some way, even if it is electrical/computerized trickery, to get the manual gearbox into an electric 911. Because they're Porsche and thats what they do

Hopefully new M3/M4 brings the customer closer to the enthusiast experience than the opposite.
That's also because Porsche needs that solid sports car image to survive in the rather competitive mid range between supercars and M/AMG/RS.

Look how much shit they have got from customers and reviewers alike by introducing an uninspiring flat-4 turbo engine on 718.

We should push M to make again real sports cars with MTs and automated manuals, not the comfortable automatic grocery getters.
Let's also remember that Porsche tried the "no manual transmission" nonsense and their customer base went crazy. Enter stage right the 911R in manual and the new GT3 in manual. They learned from that mistake.
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Let's also remember that Porsche tried the "no manual transmission" nonsense and their customer base went crazy. Enter stage right the 911R in manual and the new GT3 in manual. They learned from that mistake.
I wonder if, upon the eventual discontinuation of manual in the m3, they will experience similar blowback?

I am driving an M3 CS because when my lease was up every manual m3 in the country was sold. I love the CS. it handles night and day vs a comp pack. HOwever, I'm 37, this is my first auto, and I am so glad i only did a 2 year lease because i cannot wait to get back into a stick.
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I wonder if, upon the eventual discontinuation of manual in the m3, they will experience similar blowback?

I am driving an M3 CS because when my lease was up every manual m3 in the country was sold. I love the CS. it handles night and day vs a comp pack. HOwever, I'm 37, this is my first auto, and I am so glad i only did a 2 year lease because i cannot wait to get back into a stick.
I periodically checked stock and my local BMW dealership always had a few manual Competition and non Comp M3/M4s in stock.
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I periodically checked stock and my local BMW dealership always had a few manual Competition and non Comp M3/M4s in stock.
Of course they have M4's, they're still being produced. You can spec one out.

Not M3's, not in Manual, and not in April, 2019, 6 months after they ended production they didn't.

You may not differentiate between a 2 and a 4 door, but I certainly do.
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Let's also remember that Porsche tried the "no manual transmission" nonsense and their customer base went crazy. Enter stage right the 911R in manual and the new GT3 in manual. They learned from that mistake.
I wonder if, upon the eventual discontinuation of manual in the m3, they will experience similar blowback?

I am driving an M3 CS because when my lease was up every manual m3 in the country was sold. I love the CS. it handles night and day vs a comp pack. HOwever, I'm 37, this is my first auto, and I am so glad i only did a 2 year lease because i cannot wait to get back into a stick.
I believe so. It would be the nail in the coffin for a whole host of buyers. There are enough MT lovers out there that it would impact sales.
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