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      08-10-2019, 11:02 AM   #2399
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Not sure. I know as much as you do. Have you contacted your dealer for further information?
Ah yes, I did contact him. He hasn't heard anything. I would think to that if the rumor were true about orders opening after a reveal in September, that they would know something by now. There's been conflicting reports about Frankfurt. Only other option in September would be Goodwood Revival.
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      08-10-2019, 03:05 PM   #2400
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Any word on the EOP and LCI SOP for G05?

I can sort of guess from G01 and G07, but it's nice to have a confirmation of a more accurate date.

Thanks for a great post. I always check this from time to time.
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      08-11-2019, 06:40 PM   #2401
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They aren't going to revive the legendary CSL designation on an old model nor their entry level M model.
Below no proof of an F87 M2 CSL in the works, but at least a sign of preparation by BMW for a 'just in case' scenario (source: WIPO public website - here):

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      08-11-2019, 07:04 PM   #2402
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Below no proof of an F87 M2 CSL in the works, but at least a sign of preparation by BMW for a 'just in case' scenario (source: WIPO public website - here):

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Between this and the reference to the additional special model, I'm thinking there will be a CSL...I am hoping against hope it can be a 3000 lb, 450ish hp 4 banger screamer
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      08-12-2019, 01:37 AM   #2403
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The recent cancellation of 6GT in the U.S. is a good example why I never claim to know which exact models will go on sale and how long they will remain on sale - on the production side, 6GT LCI was making progress for all current markets as recently as a couple of months ago. Engineers create things, and then managers decide which of those things to sell.
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      08-12-2019, 07:58 AM   #2404
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^^^ The interesting thing about the F0x/F1x 6 Series ending was that it exposed just how few 6GTs were being moved in NA. It couldn't even manage to match the i8's sales volume in at least one month this year.

I've seen it reported that the 3GT was also killed in the US at the end of MY2019.
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      08-12-2019, 08:15 AM   #2405
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I've seen it reported that the 3GT was also killed in the US at the end of MY2019.
Too many people were going blind as they cast their eyes upon it.
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I am hoping against hope it can be a 3000 lb, 450ish hp 4 banger screamer
That weight sounds orgasmic, the cylinder count, not so much.
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      08-12-2019, 08:33 AM   #2407
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That weight sounds orgasmic, the cylinder count, not so much.
Gotta get the weight as low and away from the front of the car as possible!
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      08-12-2019, 10:23 AM   #2408
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That weight sounds orgasmic, the cylinder count, not so much.
Gotta get the weight as low and away from the front of the car as possible!
What if the engine was iN tHe BaCk
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That weight sounds orgasmic, the cylinder count, not so much.
Gotta get the weight as low and away from the front of the car as possible!
What if the engine was iN tHe BaCk
Haha as in no rear seats...that'd be different!
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      08-12-2019, 11:23 AM   #2410
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They aren't going to revive the legendary CSL designation on an old model nor their entry level M model.
Perhaps a little CSL education.

BMW currently has the following race going models in their lineup.... and all racing in North America currently.

M8 GTE
M4 GT4
M240 racing - soon to be replaced by an M2 racing

M8 GTE a car designed for the track first and then the production car came out.

M4 GT4- currently at end of life with new model coming ?

M2 racing - currently being designed on the track ...

Sure seems to me a slam dunk to roll out roadgoing models of the same as M8 CSL, M4 CSL, and M2. CSL.

Unless BMW simply wants to allow Porsche , Mercedes and Audi to take all the race on Sunday and drive on Monday ////marketing and sales.
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      08-12-2019, 02:27 PM   #2411
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Haha as in no rear seats...that'd be different!
... and it would be called "Cayman".
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      08-13-2019, 10:08 AM   #2412
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Gotta get the weight as low and away from the front of the car as possible!
I can't imagine that they could get anywhere near 3000 pounds. I am also guessing that the CSL would have some version of the S55. It would be really surprising for BMW to introduce a different engine (and a 4 cylinder at that) at the very end of the F8X life cycle...

I think 3300 pounds would probably be the best they could do...but with 450 BHP or more, that would be a very compelling car.
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      08-14-2019, 05:39 PM   #2413
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So that's the end of manual transmission non-m's huh? I guess the Z4 without one was a clear sign of departure
The Z4 20i will get 6MT soon, but that one is not available in the US.
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      08-15-2019, 03:39 PM   #2414
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^^^ The interesting thing about the F0x/F1x 6 Series ending was that it exposed just how few 6GTs were being moved in NA. It couldn't even manage to match the i8's sales volume in at least one month this year.

I've seen it reported that the 3GT was also killed in the US at the end of MY2019.
It says so here: http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3480&mid=

Though this link no longer (I'm pretty sure it did earlier, see e.g. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=31) mentions the 6GT as being discontinued!?
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It says so here: http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3480&mid=

Though this link no longer (I'm pretty sure it did earlier, see e.g. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=31) mentions the 6GT as being discontinued!?
Thanks for the link. Regard the 6GT, perhaps they reconsidered, or perhaps BMW NA jumped the gun? That would not be unheard of. For example, if the announcement was made before it was determined that there was already a large supply of NA-spec 6GT vehicles or sub-assemblies in the pipeline, they may have realized it would be prudent to continue on into MY2020 for a few months. They could simply continue to sell them as MY2019 instead, but of course MY2020 would be more marketable (and this vehicle needs all of the help it can get in that area).
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  • G01 X3 and G02 X4 are confirmed for engine upgrades for MY2020. 30i remains at 248hp, M40i gets a bump to 385hp.
ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020. Any idea if it is still coming for MY2020 as a mid-year update or if it has been delayed until MY2021?
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ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020. Any idea if it is still coming for MY2020 as a mid-year update or if it has been delayed until MY2021?
The ordering sheet for 2020 G01 and G02 in Canada shows updated engines. Are there any chance that it gets reversed? Also any chance we get different vehicles from US?

I understand different specs isn't entirely impossible, but I only remember it happening for rarer/smaller sales number vehicles.
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The ordering sheet for 2020 G01 and G02 in Canada shows updated engines. Are there any chance that it gets reversed?
The US pricing guide shows "B58M" (the new high output TU engine is B58O) for the 2020 X3 M40i. Also, multiple pages on the BMW NA website, including the just-updated configurator, say that the 2020 model still makes 355hp. The latter is far from reliable in general, but as corroborating source it perhaps has a little more value.

I suppose we won't know for absolute certain that the new engines aren't there until the vehicles arrive at dealerships. It's not looking good at this point.

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Yes, although as you say, that is not very common.
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The US pricing guide shows "B58M" (the new high output TU engine is B58O) for the 2020 X3 M40i. Also, multiple pages on the BMW NA website, including the just-updated configurator, say that the 2020 model still makes 355hp. The latter is far from reliable in general, but as corroborating source it perhaps has a little more value.

I suppose we won't know for absolute certain that the new engines aren't there until the vehicles arrive at dealerships. It's not looking good at this point.



Yes, although as you say, that is not very common.
In general BMW seems pretty poor at managing incremental updates to models... it seems the Launch-LCI-EOP rinse/repeat is so ingrained in them they lose all ability to communicate or logically manage what content gets added when acting outside that framework
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That's a bit unfair, multiple models got off-LCI engine updates, like the F48 and the F34, plus they updated all Diesels to SCR/Euro-6d-temp in 2018.
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