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      11-06-2018, 11:42 AM   #23
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I wonder if the next generation M2 will also be made in Mexico....
The very first M car (sort of) was made in the South African plant, and a stealth E23 ///M7 was made there too - the 745i, with the M635CSi's 286 bhp engine. So there is a precedent, of sorts.

Of course there was no internet forum back then for people to complain about it

In more news, BMW South Africa has already stopped making the 3 series after 35 years. Being replaced by the X3, apparently.
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      11-06-2018, 12:06 PM   #24
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I wonder if there will be a next generation M2...


The E82 1M borrowed heavily from the E9x M3

The F87 M2 was developed with F80 M3 and F82 M4.

The G42/43 ... ?
Isn't that one interpretation of "further progress"?

I think the M2 is the best selling M car in some jurisdictions, so I would be surprised if we didn't see more generations after the F87. Although, I am a DCT fan, so not sure I would get one anyway.

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The very first M car (sort of) was made in the South African plant, and a stealth E23 ///M7 was made there too - the 745i, with the M635CSi's 286 bhp engine. So there is a precedent, of sorts.

Of course there was no internet forum back then for people to complain about it

In more news, BMW South Africa has already stopped making the 3 series after 35 years. Being replaced by the X3, apparently.
Not complaining - I just think those decisions are interesting to watch. Many would like to see an expansion of the options you can get on the M2, such as having individual paint or whatnot. If they build the M2 in the Mexico plant, and it has those capabilities (not available in the current location), then more people might be tempted to try one.
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      11-06-2018, 12:07 PM   #25
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It seems in this instance that there is the potential for overlapping production due to different locations, particularly if G42/43 production ramps up slowly and/or initially services Mexico or other locations while F22/F97 production continues until 10/21 in Leipzig .. ?
Right now it looks like G42 will start production right after F22/F87 is ended.
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G42 fwd or rwd?
RWD, a shrunken G20.
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I wonder if there will be a next generation M2...
G42 will be a suitable platform for an M2, but there hasn't been any evidence yet that the next M2 is happening. I think even the regular 2 series models haven't been finalized yet.
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      11-06-2018, 12:14 PM   #26
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Isn't that one interpretation of "further progress"?

I think the M2 is the best selling M car in some jurisdictions, so I would be surprised if we didn't see more generations after the F87. Although, I am a DCT fan, so not sure I would get one anyway.


I just think those decisions are interesting to watch. Many would like to see an expansion of the options you can get on the M2, such as having individual paint or whatnot. If they build the M2 in the Mexico plant, and it has those capabilities (not available in the current location), then more people might be tempted to try one.
This is definitely interesting ...

And YES I agree ... i enjoy seeing this unfold

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Right now it looks like G42 will start production right after F22/F87 is ended.
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G42 fwd or rwd?
RWD, a shrunken G20.

G42 will be a suitable platform for an M2, but there hasn't been any evidence yet that the next M2 is happening. I think even the regular 2 series models haven't been finalized yet.
Thanks for the confirmation on G42 as shrunken G20.


Together this actually is somewhat encouraging that BMW could be considering keeping a G series M2 by making all ( or the majority of ) 2er coupe and convertibles in Mexico. The North American markets are the biggest markets as BMW primarily sells the 1er in Europe. It seems like it would be cheaper to import 2ers to the US from MEX than GER.

The ability to borrow parts from the G20 is a good harbinger as well.
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Dear BMW. Please make me a 4 series wagon. Thank you.
My mind just melted. Is a four series wagon a "coupe?"

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      11-06-2018, 12:57 PM   #29
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Dear BMW. Please make me a 4 series wagon. Thank you.
The 4GC does not suffice?
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      11-06-2018, 01:28 PM   #30
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Nah what we need is a G81 competition with a choice of RWD/AWD and 3 pedals 👍
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Nah what we need is a G81 competition with a choice of RWD/AWD and 3 pedals 👍
Agreed. No interest in the ungainly GC, but would buy a wagon tomorrow.
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G42 and G43 are still the only body shapes confirmed for the next 2 anywhere in the world?

There was talk of a GC at some stage but nothing for a long time
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      11-06-2018, 02:19 PM   #33
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G42 and G43 are still the only body shapes confirmed for the next 2 anywhere in the world?

There was talk of a GC at some stage but nothing for a long time
G42 RWD Coupe and F44 FWD GC. G43 is not happening.
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Right now it looks like G42 will start production right after F22/F87 is ended.

RWD, a shrunken G20.

G42 will be a suitable platform for an M2, but there hasn't been any evidence yet that the next M2 is happening. I think even the regular 2 series models haven't been finalized yet.
Any news when i4 is due?
is it "still" a 3GT shape?
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G42 (the next 2er Coupe) will start production in mid-2021
Great news! Plenty of time for ///M to develop a M2 CSL



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...and will possibly be made primarily or entirely in Mexico.
Damn. I certainly hope that Mexican plant can fulfill, Individual paint options!! That would go a LONG way for US buyers to get over a German designed car built in Mexico.

I kind of wonder what Leipzig will build then? Maybe only i products ? BMW has been pruning away certain products from Leipzig to Regensburg. Humm...

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If we are being sensible. Then there will be another M2. I just cannot see why they would not... The concept is far too lucrative to dismiss.

Also I expect European 2er and the M2 for the global market to be manufactured still in Germany.
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Nah what we need is a G81 competition with a choice of RWD/AWD and 3 pedals 👍
Too optimistic. Having a chat with someone whilst salivating over the new G21 it It is refreshing to hear that a concept is very much being taken seriously this time around and discussion is in its infancy stage of inception.

Hopefully when everybody breaks up for the winter and they head to the more affluent ski resorts they will see the endless Audi RS Avants and Mercedes AMG's litter the resort car parks amongst the multitude of SUVs.
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If we are being sensible. Then there will be another M2. I just cannot see why they would not... The concept is far too lucrative to dismiss.

Also I expect European 2er and the M2 for the global market to be manufactured still in Germany.
But they won't put two more doors on the rwd cars to let us old folk put in our track tires for weekend outings?

We do so love our tossable sports sedans, but they are getting a little long in the tooth.
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Well the Coupe series of BMW 2er,4er and The 8 will all feature more practical Gran Coupe variants. As I said each line has continuity.
What is the story, then, with the 6er and how it fits into this "continuity" theory?
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If we are being sensible. Then there will be another M2. I just cannot see why they would not... The concept is far too lucrative to dismiss.

Also I expect European 2er and the M2 for the global market to be manufactured still in Germany.
My thoughts exactly. The 2er exists for and sells to the purists. I think BMW knows it would rub a lot of these buyers the wrong way if they weren't made in Deutschland, and therefore could sabotage their sales of the next-gen car. The 3er is probably leased by unsuspecting badge buyers most of the time anyway, so less risk in moving production to Mexico.
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I REALLY hope they keep the M240i with manual option, rwd and 6 cylinder
also, i just hope they don't keep growing this car indefinitely
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G43 is not happening.
So you can confirm the convertible is indeed not going to make it to production? I'd read that elsewhere, but I think this is the first I've seen you weigh in.

I recall you also mentioning the B58 model goes away too. This will leave just the one model (in the US), albeit perhaps with 300hp+ by then (maybe even branded M235i or M240i, who knows) and the M2.
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So you can confirm the convertible is indeed not going to make it to production? I'd read that elsewhere, but I think this is the first I've seen you weigh in.

I recall you also mentioning the B58 model goes away too. This will leave just the one model (in the US), albeit perhaps with 300hp+ by then (maybe even branded M235i or M240i, who knows) and the M2.
As the highest tuned B48 cars all going to be badged 35i (so far only the X2) you would think that the same tune on the B48 in the G42 would also be called 35i.

A lot of people talk about the superior balance and lighter feel of the 228i/230i, as such I think that a B48 with 225kw in G42 badged as M235i could work quite well.
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