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True. Too bad if the M xDrive will not be offered! Otherwise it's all great news.
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06-29-2018, 04:16 PM | #47 |
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Did it say the M340i is coming in 2020 also? That's a long ways away especially when I want someone else to eat the first couple years of depreciation.
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06-29-2018, 04:25 PM | #48 |
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I am cautiously optimistic that I will be getting a manual transmission G20/G80 now. I really wanted the M340i since I prefer sleepers, but the M3 is a great car and at least I'll be able to get one last pure ICE car with a manual transmission.
In vain hope that this isn't the last gen with a manual, I hope more people put orders down for brand new M3 6MT over the ZF 8HP. While I think the ZF 8HP is overall superior to the DCT for a road car, if you really bemoan that move, man up and order a 6MT M3. |
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06-29-2018, 05:22 PM | #52 |
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The current Longitudinal Getrag M DCT has reached torque limits.
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And I guess so has their contract w/BMW.
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The drive experience is drastically different. I have posted numerous times already, but the main points are 1. no immediate skip shifts. 3 gear downshift on the zf is 7-6-4, on the dct it is instant 7-4th. 2. zf8 downshifts can be rough, and smooth, it is inconsistent and depends on the speed and the rpm of the engine. the dct is almost always smooth. This is in S3 mode for both cars. 3. torque modulation- the zf will modulate torque to save the tranny on occasion, there is a noticeable dip in power during transitions. the dct snaps gears consistently. 4. heat- I have overheated my drive train 3 times on the x5m. I have never overheated my dct on the m3. The zf will simply ignore commands once this threshold has been passed. You will get a drivetrain malfunction on your display if prolonged. I would be interested to know if the new m5 sustains long track times without overheating the zf8. Hopefully it has better tranny cooling. 5. shift speed- on 1 gear requests, the zf is actually faster than the dct during normal below redline shifts. During WOT, the dct shifts harder and snaps gears, the zf will be more modulated- again both in s3. zf also manufactures the PDK for Porsche which I have had the pleasure of driving, and the PDK is amazing and by far the best transmission. The devil is in the details and if you don't care, then it doesn't matter- but there is a clear difference between dual clutch transmissions vs torque converters.
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I currently have a DCT in my F80. Its great at full tilt, ok overall but pretty shitty when it comes to just day to day driving. If you are sold on the DCT go drive a new porsche with PDK and you'll realize how our DCTs can still leave a lot to be desired. |
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There are no other longitudinal mounted dct's currently in the market, so bmw would have to develop one with Getrag or ZF in order to make one.
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Hope they keep the production in Germany so we can continue to be doing ED
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I assume u meant s55. And I agree, better sound is the only missing component in f80, however it is still not that bad, still m sound IMO only ill M....
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To avoid the new exhaust noise regs, all they have to do is just make it louder all the time stock.
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Then get a manual.
DCT is just a fancy automatic anyway.
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My only concern is growth of this chassis, in length and width. The 3 series keeps growing.
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That's why i bought one while they still exist.
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