[uuni]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-purpose/

This is why it is not that important to have a super good charger network. On average peeps don't drive long distances and home charging takes care of that. Those who drive long distances regularly should avoid EV's OR accept the fact that charging network is still at its infancy.

In future long distance will not be any problem.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by uuni

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-purpose/

This is why it is not that important to have a super good charger network....In future long distance will not be any problem.

That's an interesting perspective, and it probably is somewhat valid in Finland and for non-Tesla EVs.

In the US, the Supercharger network allows Teslas to travel across the vast majority of the country with no problems.

The lack of a unified/reliable charging network (especially when combined with shorter driving range) has definitely limited the success of other manufacturers' EV offerings here, IMHO...

[VetteGuy]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

That's an interesting perspective, and it probably is somewhat valid in Finland and for non-Tesla EVs.

In the US, the Supercharger network allows Teslas to travel across the vast majority of the country with no problems.

The lack of a unified/reliable charging network (especially when combined with shorter driving range) has definitely limited the success of other manufacturers' EV offerings here, IMHO...

Not even close to the “vast majority of the country.” More in California, the I-95 corridor, and number of the largest metro areas, but only about 2,000 total locations nationwide.

The EV industry, including Tesla, is still in its m but most likely to explode this decade.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

Not even close to the “vast majority of the country.”...

The vast majority of the country, like I said:

[VetteGuy]

Its a growing coverage but it is hardly the “vast majority” of the country, with only 2,000 locations in 3.8 million square miles with 47,000 miles of interstate highway. And a lot of those are at the Tesla service centers.

The winner will be the charging vendor that partners with McDonalds or Starbucks to put a charging station at every interstate exit ramp.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

Its a growing coverage but it is hardly the “vast majority” of the country, with only 2,000 locations in 3.8 million square miles with 47,000 miles of interstate highway. And a lot of those are at the Tesla service centers.

The winner will be the charging vendor that partners with McDonalds or Starbucks to put a charging station at every interstate exit ramp.

I really don't want to argue, but I was interested to see how you would try to spin a map that clearly shows that the majority of the country can be seen via Tesla and Superchargers.

Suggesting that every highway exit should have charging available is a different discussion altogether, and isn't a statement I'd dispute. Charging locations will be as ubiquitous as gas stations, eventually.

There are a few (sparsely populated) areas of the country that can't be visited using Supercharging, as the map shows. The map also clearly shows that the majority of the country can be visited with Tesla Supercharging, which was my point.

As for co-locating charging with other services and/or locations, that's already happening, with many Meijer stores now including Superchargers, and Electrify America putting locations in WalMart parking lots. The other Superchargers I've visited have been adjacent to restaurants and other retail businesses - quite convenient all the way around.

[VetteGuy]

I don’t mean to argue either, I’m just saying this is early in the game, even for Tesla. With more marques bringing EV to market, hopefully we end up with a broad network of charging stations to suit everyone’s needs.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

I don't mean to argue either, I'm just saying this is early in the game, even for Tesla. With more marques bringing EV to market, hopefully we end up with a broad network of charging stations to suit everyone's needs.

No manufacture with an exception of Tesla has gone out of their way to build out a charging network

Once that actually happens then maybe we'll have something solid to look forward to

In the meantime Tesla has every other manufacturer looking really stupid

[uuni]

Free market will take care charging, once there is enough cars/intrest for it.

Also, will legislation make all compatible in future, i think so.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by uuni

Free market will take care charging, once there is enough cars/intrest for it.

Also, will legislation make all compatible in future, i think so.

Legislation? Now that's funny

There are clearly two standards moving forward

Tesla Superchargers and third party CCS Combo Chargers

Currently the amount of CCS Chargers is pathetic compared to Tesla's network

[matbl]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Legislation? Now that's funny

There are clearly two standards moving forward

Tesla Superchargers and third party CCS Combo Chargers

Currently the amount of CCS Chargers is pathetic compared to Tesla's network

Why is it funny?
Works well in Europe. Teslas (M3 at least) comes equiped for CCS charging and Tesla SC’s are equipped with CCS connectors.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by matbl

Why is it funny?
Works well in Europe. Teslas (M3 at least) comes equiped for CCS charging and Tesla SC's are equipped with CCS connectors.

Clearly there is some shortage of charging stations in Europe and abroad

Legislation won't do much to grow the charging networks - that's almost entirely up to the Manufacturers

IMO they're all extremely lame with an exception of Tesla when it comes to investing in the much needed Infrastructure

[uuni]

I said legislation will make a one standard, meaning that Tesla or else, cant have their stalls only for their brand. Eu is notorius on these things and are haevily pushing for ev's, so they might do it.

[USA-RET]

A step in the right direction IMO:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebasti...h=703bdac66941

Not the usual VHS/Beta, Android/Apple craziness.

Going forward, having these installed in parking lots and various other locations should provide nation wide charging to EV owners regardless of which automaker's car they purchase.

When EV's range get north of 600 miles, traveling for a day and staying at a hotel/motel with wireless charging should eliminate most issues with long distance travel. Having an accepted standard across product lines is a necessity and thankfully we are seeing that.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by uuni

I said legislation will make a one standard, meaning that Tesla or else, cant have their stalls only for their brand. Eu is notorius on these things and are haevily pushing for ev's, so they might do it.

I highly doubt that will ever happen

Two standard options on 1 charger ⁉️ Absolutely

But Tesla will always have their own proprietary plug standard

[USA-RET]

Interesting news (if it comes to fruition).

https://insideevs.com/news/496948/el...it-may-expand/

This provides a $ incentive for every small business to install one or two charges at their business location and get a fed tax credit for doing so.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

Interesting news (if it comes to fruition).

https://insideevs.com/news/496948/el...it-may-expand/

This provides a $ incentive for every small business to install one or two charges at their business location and get a fed tax credit for doing so.

A great idea actually

Manu apartment dwellers need a solid place to charge an electric vehicle

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

A great idea actually

Manu apartment dwellers need a solid place to charge an electric vehicle

I remember a while back Tesla talked about installing superchargers/wall chargers at apartment buildings and letting the buildings control the cost to benefit from the arrangement. I'm not sure if they ever went through with it, but I thought that was a great idea for apartment owners. I know in big cities like LA or SF at least, they install superchargers in public garages to try and help those who street park or don't have a garage.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I remember a while back Tesla talked about installing superchargers/wall chargers at apartment buildings and letting the buildings control the cost to benefit from the arrangement. I'm not sure if they ever went through with it, but I thought that was a great idea for apartment owners. I know in big cities like LA or SF at least, they install superchargers in public garages to try and help those who street park or don't have a garage.

I like this idea the best that I've seen so far

https://thedriven.io/2020/03/24/siem...-car-chargers/

[OM3RTA]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I like this idea the best that I've seen so far

https://thedriven.io/2020/03/24/siem...-car-chargers/

Until everyone trips over the cable and sues anyone they can over it.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by OM3RTA

Until everyone trips over the cable and sues anyone they can over it.

Only is the US that's probably a concern

Stupidly definitely needs to be painful

[OM3RTA]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Only is the US that's probably a concern

Stupidly definitely needs to be painful

There are ambulance chasing lawyers everywhere now so I'd be willing to bet as EV's grow, they will mention such accidents in their ads.
So eventually you'll see cables in bright yellow or orange with reflective stripes on them.