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      11-14-2020, 09:37 PM   #111
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-purpose/

This is why it is not that important to have a super good charger network. On average peeps don't drive long distances and home charging takes care of that. Those who drive long distances regularly should avoid EV's OR accept the fact that charging network is still at its infancy.

In future long distance will not be any problem.
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This is why it is not that important to have a super good charger network....In future long distance will not be any problem.
That's an interesting perspective, and it probably is somewhat valid in Finland and for non-Tesla EVs.

In the US, the Supercharger network allows Teslas to travel across the vast majority of the country with no problems.

The lack of a unified/reliable charging network (especially when combined with shorter driving range) has definitely limited the success of other manufacturers' EV offerings here, IMHO...
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That's an interesting perspective, and it probably is somewhat valid in Finland and for non-Tesla EVs.

In the US, the Supercharger network allows Teslas to travel across the vast majority of the country with no problems.

The lack of a unified/reliable charging network (especially when combined with shorter driving range) has definitely limited the success of other manufacturers' EV offerings here, IMHO...
Not even close to the “vast majority of the country.” More in California, the I-95 corridor, and number of the largest metro areas, but only about 2,000 total locations nationwide.

The EV industry, including Tesla, is still in its m but most likely to explode this decade.
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Not even close to the “vast majority of the country.”...
The vast majority of the country, like I said:

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Its a growing coverage but it is hardly the “vast majority” of the country, with only 2,000 locations in 3.8 million square miles with 47,000 miles of interstate highway. And a lot of those are at the Tesla service centers.

The winner will be the charging vendor that partners with McDonalds or Starbucks to put a charging station at every interstate exit ramp.
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Its a growing coverage but it is hardly the “vast majority” of the country, with only 2,000 locations in 3.8 million square miles with 47,000 miles of interstate highway. And a lot of those are at the Tesla service centers.

The winner will be the charging vendor that partners with McDonalds or Starbucks to put a charging station at every interstate exit ramp.
I really don't want to argue, but I was interested to see how you would try to spin a map that clearly shows that the majority of the country can be seen via Tesla and Superchargers.

Suggesting that every highway exit should have charging available is a different discussion altogether, and isn't a statement I'd dispute. Charging locations will be as ubiquitous as gas stations, eventually.

There are a few (sparsely populated) areas of the country that can't be visited using Supercharging, as the map shows. The map also clearly shows that the majority of the country can be visited with Tesla Supercharging, which was my point.

As for co-locating charging with other services and/or locations, that's already happening, with many Meijer stores now including Superchargers, and Electrify America putting locations in WalMart parking lots. The other Superchargers I've visited have been adjacent to restaurants and other retail businesses - quite convenient all the way around.
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I don’t mean to argue either, I’m just saying this is early in the game, even for Tesla. With more marques bringing EV to market, hopefully we end up with a broad network of charging stations to suit everyone’s needs.
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I don't mean to argue either, I'm just saying this is early in the game, even for Tesla. With more marques bringing EV to market, hopefully we end up with a broad network of charging stations to suit everyone's needs.
No manufacture with an exception of Tesla has gone out of their way to build out a charging network

Once that actually happens then maybe we'll have something solid to look forward to

In the meantime Tesla has every other manufacturer looking really stupid
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Free market will take care charging, once there is enough cars/intrest for it.

Also, will legislation make all compatible in future, i think so.
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Free market will take care charging, once there is enough cars/intrest for it.

Also, will legislation make all compatible in future, i think so.
Legislation? Now that's funny

There are clearly two standards moving forward

Tesla Superchargers and third party CCS Combo Chargers

Currently the amount of CCS Chargers is pathetic compared to Tesla's network
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Legislation? Now that's funny

There are clearly two standards moving forward

Tesla Superchargers and third party CCS Combo Chargers

Currently the amount of CCS Chargers is pathetic compared to Tesla's network
Why is it funny?
Works well in Europe. Teslas (M3 at least) comes equiped for CCS charging and Tesla SC’s are equipped with CCS connectors.
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Legislation? Now that's funny

There are clearly two standards moving forward

Tesla Superchargers and third party CCS Combo Chargers

Currently the amount of CCS Chargers is pathetic compared to Tesla's network
Why is it funny?
Works well in Europe. Teslas (M3 at least) comes equiped for CCS charging and Tesla SC's are equipped with CCS connectors.
Clearly there is some shortage of charging stations in Europe and abroad

Legislation won't do much to grow the charging networks - that's almost entirely up to the Manufacturers

IMO they're all extremely lame with an exception of Tesla when it comes to investing in the much needed Infrastructure
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