[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by farishat

Where is the power dome?!

We've already discussed this. This new car has more of a power nostril design.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by JTO24

The middle car (Motegi Red) is a 6MT pure and shares the same wheels as the HS car but the BSM Comp car has different wheels; the wheels that look similar to the 666M wheels. I want those 666M-looking wheels on the Pure so I hope that's an option. I'm not in love with the other wheels so far.

I cant imagine there are going to be many options that are not available on the "base" model... i think the concept of a stripped down "pure" model that stands alone from the rest of the line doesn't really exist anymore and the offering is just going to be "M3/M4" with the competition package being one of a list of options to choose from. You should be able to pick from any option other than those that are explicitly exclusive to the comp package. Using the X3M as a guide the same rims that are available on the comp package are available on the base just in a different finish

Looking at the rest of the lineup bmw has been moving away from competition being a separate model, most (all?) M models for 2021 comp is now an optional package

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by xlover

Looking at the rest of the lineup bmw has been moving away from competition being a separate model, most (all?) M models for 2021 comp is now an optional package

It’s actually thd opposite. BMW has clearly announced a while back that the “Competition Package” is no longer an option, but rather a distinct model designation in the ///M hierachy: Base->Competition->CS->CSL. If you go on the various on-line configurators, they show as separate models and not as a package to be selected in the options list. This has started with the M2, followed by the M5, X3M, X4M and M8. The M3 and M4 will simply follow this. But it does not mean different options (such as wheels) aren’t shared between the model variant.

BMW are simply following a very lucrative page in the Porsche playbook.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

But it does not mean different options (such as wheels) aren’t shared between the model variant.

True. However, I suspect wheels will continue to be an item used to separate the models. Admittedly, I am not totally up to speed on the current M lineup (I don't pay much attention to the SUVs), but my recollection from the M5 and M8 launches was that the Competition models continue to have exclusive wheel styles not available on the base model.

Of course, you can easily change wheels out after you buy the car, and since many people look to third party vendors for wheels, even for Competition models, there will likely be plenty of as-new sets available on the forum.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

That’s a shame, did you buy it new? I’ve done 9k miles owned from brand new and as I say they are wonderful.

Infact somewhat weirdly mine don’t seem to have the savage initial bite that many mention either, they are just like way better steels with zero brake dust

I went in to buy an F80 (would've been my 3rd) and there was a lease turn in M6 GC CP with all of the options checked .. $160k MSRP originally and got it for about half that. What a deal. But anyway yeah the CCB weren't THAT bad (I've had steel rotors and track pads on numerous cars that are worse) but still not ideal. The zero dust thing was nice and they are a sight to behold as well. Got many "your rotors are bigger than my wheels" comments lol. Fun times. M6 was beautiful and fun to drive but only really shined at really high speeds which is fun, but not great for someone trying to stay out of jail. Even at the track (Buttonwillow) it was only okay. I think if I go big M again it'll be an X5M so I can have the added utility and even trailer small things. G80 is still likely nimble and trackable enough to be function as a daily, occasional track car and family mover. Interested to see what packages they come out with and how it looks in the darker colors ...

Got me monologuing ...

[xlover]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It’s actually thd opposite. BMW has clearly announced a while back that the “Competition Package” is no longer an option, but rather a distinct model designation in the ///M hierachy: Base->Competition->CS->CSL. If you go on the various on-line configurators, they show as separate models and not as a package to be selected in the options list. This has started with the M2, followed by the M5, X3M, X4M and M8. The M3 and M4 will simply follow this. But it does not mean different options (such as wheels) aren’t shared between the model variant.

BMW are simply following a very lucrative page in the Porsche playbook.

actually that is no longer accurate, competition is once again just an option package... at least as far the USA is concerned, not sure about ROW (i see you are rocking the canadian flag). They have fully reversed course as of 2021. Take a swing through the 2021 order guides. The new M3 and M4 will follow the 2021 logic.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by xlover

actually that is no longer accurate, competition is once again just an option package... at least as far the USA is concerned, not sure about ROW (i see you are rocking the canadian flag). They have fully reversed course as of 2021. Take a swing through the 2021 order guides. The new M3 and M4 will follow the 2021 logic.

True also here, I just checked the BMW.ca configurator and they no longer show the distinct base and CP.

That’s where BMW is starting to lose me, way too many reversals and Marketing going on now

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

True. However, I suspect wheels will continue to be an item used to separate the models. Admittedly, I am not totally up to speed on the current M lineup (I don't pay much attention to the SUVs), but my recollection from the M5 and M8 launches was that the Competition models continue to have exclusive wheel styles not available on the base model.

Of course, you can easily change wheels out after you buy the car, and since many people look to third party vendors for wheels, even for Competition models, there will likely be plenty of as-new sets available on the forum.

I was thinking of the 437M that could be ordered on either the base or CP.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

True also here, I just checked the BMW.ca configurator and they no longer show the distinct base and CP.

That's where BMW is starting to lose me, way too many reversals and Marketing going on now

not to get too far off topic but agree 100% on the marketing..... I thought the move to separate models for volume packages didn't make sense (if there is no production restriction it's volume). I get the concept of establishing a stepped line logic from the 320/330; m340; m; comp; m cs; etc but they took it too far, it was way too much processing for consumers.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

True also here, I just checked the BMW.ca configurator and they no longer show the distinct base and CP.

Interesting. Outside North America, they still talk about the Competition as a separate model in this very recent press release (1. July 2020):

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...-the-racetrack

Like all current high-performance-automobiles from the BMW M GmbH, the new BMW M3 Saloon and new BMW M4 Coupé are offered in two performance levels: Besides a 480 hp variant with a 6-speed manual shift, there is also the choice of a Competition model with 510 hp and an 8-speed M Steptronic transmission with Drivelogic.

For example, at the BMW.de website the model designation changes to Competition in the configurator if you choose the Comp pack. And BMW.co.uk only has Competition models available - no base level models offered at all.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Interesting. Outside North America, they still talk about the Competition as a separate model in this very recent press release (1. July 2020):

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...-the-racetrack



For example, at the BMW.de website the model designation changes to Competition in the configurator if you choose the Comp pack. And BMW.co.uk only has Competition models available - no base level models offered at all.

Good point. You select between the base and competition version by selecting the “engine” in the same way you would select between a 330i, 330e or M340i.

Interestingly, since LCI, the base M5 is no longer offered in Canada.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Good point. You select between the base and competition version by selecting the "engine" in the same way you would select between a 330i, 330e or M340i.

Interestingly, since LCI, the base M5 is no longer offered in Canada.

Interestingly I suddenly realize that I couldn't quite recognize the text from my post that you quoted...

I never wrote "outside of North America" in my post...

The first link to the BMW press release was a UK release which I didn't realize until some time after I first posted it. Went back to BMW press and found the global version of the press release (notice it says "global" in the link, the previous one said "united_kingdom" instead of global) and replaced the link with that.

Global means the world IMO, not "outside North America"...

And every M, except the M4, also still has base and Competition models on bmwusa.com...

So the global BMW press release states two models incl Competition, the bmwusa website has base and Competition models.

Perhaps North America isn't considered part of the world since a «Global» press release from BMW doesn't apply there, but is considered «outside of North America» by the moderators...???

Moderators editing my post apparently...

[Nugget]

Base M5 was only offered as a launch edition in Australia. Since then it's Comp model only.
We don't get the X3/4M base either.
I'm thinking we probably won't get the G80 base except as some special pure edition also.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Base M5 was only offered as a launch edition in Australia. Since then it's Comp model only.
We don't get the X3/4M base either.
I'm thinking we probably won't get the G80 base except as some special pure edition also.

I think expectation should be access to the base model will be primarily determined by the market demand for a manual transmission model and probably secondarily driven by overall volume and the need for diversity within the model line (over simplified example, if bmw only plans to sell 10 M3s in your market they probably only need to offer the more expensive comp package to find the 10 buyers, but if they want to sell 100 it is more likely that a buyer might not convert without offering more variation)

The 4 variants that are expected to exist (based on spy shots and actual bmw confirmation)
Base - 6MT (confirmed by BMW)
Base - auto (not mentioned explicitly but test mules matching the configuration are out and about)
Comp package - auto (confirmed by BMW)
Comp package - MxDrive/auto (kinda sorta confirmed by articles written in the pre-prod drives that xdrive will be comp only)

I expect (and my hunch is BMW agrees) that the lions share of sales will come from the comp-auto and comp-xdrive

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by JTO24

The middle car (Motegi Red) is a 6MT pure and shares the same wheels as the HS car but the BSM Comp car has different wheels; the wheels that look similar to the 666M wheels. I want those 666M-looking wheels on the Pure so I hope that's an option. I'm not in love with the other wheels so far.

4 styles then different finish options in addition on some of them.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by lemetier

4 styles then different finish options in addition on some of them.

Thanks! Sounds like we will have at least six different options of wheels if we count finish as an option. That is great news!

4th quadrant/bottom right for me if available for the AWD car.

[Loma]

I like both on the right side. Bottom slightly more but not black as seen on prototypes.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Loma

I like both on the right side. Bottom slightly more but not black as seen on prototypes.

I’d go for the two tone as in lemetier’s comment here I never liked all black wheels.

[Colinv6]

Either of the left 2 for me. Probably the nice single colour grey ones at the top.

Really not liking the top right.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by xlover

I think expectation should be access to the base model will be primarily determined by the market demand for a manual transmission model and probably secondarily driven by overall volume and the need for diversity within the model line (over simplified example, if bmw only plans to sell 10 M3s in your market they probably only need to offer the more expensive comp package to find the 10 buyers, but if they want to sell 100 it is more likely that a buyer might not convert without offering more variation)

The 4 variants that are expected to exist (based on spy shots and actual bmw confirmation)
Base - 6MT (confirmed by BMW)
Base - auto (not mentioned explicitly but test mules matching the configuration are out and about)
Comp package - auto (confirmed by BMW)
Comp package - MxDrive/auto (kinda sorta confirmed by articles written in the pre-prod drives that xdrive will be comp only)

I expect (and my hunch is BMW agrees) that the lions share of sales will come from the comp-auto and comp-xdrive

My understanding is there will not be a 8AT base offering, base will be 6MT only.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by lemetier

4 styles then different finish options in addition on some of them.

Am I guessing right that the top left is the 18”-19” combo while the three others are 19”-20” ?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Am I guessing right that the top left is the 18”-19” combo while the three others are 19”-20” ?

I was wondering the same.

Though the bottom left wheels are the ones on two of the cars in the pictures from the OP, and they sure look small - like 18"/19" as I had mentioned earlier. Could be the shipping blocks giving that effect though.

I wonder if RWD vehicles will have wheel options that are distinct from those available on cars equipped AWD. If so, there could be more than one style of 18"/19" sized wheels.

Going back to our earlier discussion, I suspect that the wheels that look similar (but much better IMHO, due to the fact that they have some concavity and also because they remain open at the point they intersect the outside of the wheel) to the F8x 666M will be available from the factory for the Competition model only. Perhaps the other 19/20 combo in the top right will be the upgrade wheel on the base model, and also available on the Competition model as well.