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      09-24-2019, 05:06 PM   #45
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Sport setting is not adaptive setting.
I think you're missing exactly what the adaptive suspension is. It's always adaptive. All you can manually change about it is if you want the valving of the dampers to be set for comfort or for sport.

If you're talking about the adaptive button on your centre console, this isn't directly related to the suspension. This is an adaptive driving mode that changes all characteristics of the car automatically. It continually adapts all the settings to suit the current driving situation independent of the selected driving mode.
First off, welcome to the forums.

With that being said please read the last page or two of this thread.. and pay (close) attention to the photo posted from BMW's website.

We have beat this to a pulp.
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It has been beaten to a pulp. I've read every post at least once, but I'm not sure I saw any conclusion. BTW, the description on the BMW website doesn't say much of value, IMO.

Both Sport Individual and Eco Pro Individual allow for selection of a Damping mode, either Comfort or Sport.

Who's on first, if I follow, you were hoping there would be a third choice, "automatic" (adaptive). Or an explanation of why it's not there. Is that correct?
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      09-24-2019, 06:48 PM   #47
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It has been beaten to a pulp. I've read every post at least once, but I'm not sure I saw any conclusion. BTW, the description on the BMW website doesn't say much of value, IMO.

Both Sport Individual and Eco Pro Individual allow for selection of a Damping mode, either Comfort or Sport.

Who's on first, if I follow, you were hoping there would be a third choice, "automatic" (adaptive). Or an explanation of why it's not there. Is that correct?
Correct. The main objective was to see if anyone had a solution/or knowledge why in the "Individual" setting you can pick Comfort or Sport, but not Adaptive. (Strictly suspension settings).

The photo from BMW (imho) does add value, if only to highlight the fact they sell it as a suspension setting and not a drive mode.. as what everyone is saying it is.

They strictly talk about it being a suspension option.

The opposite what everyone else is saying.
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      09-25-2019, 03:07 AM   #48
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Correct. The main objective was to see if anyone had a solution/or knowledge why in the "Individual" setting you can pick Comfort or Sport, but not Adaptive. (Strictly suspension settings).

The photo from BMW (imho) does add value, if only to highlight the fact they sell it as a suspension setting and not a drive mode.. as what everyone is saying it is.

They strictly talk about it being a suspension option.

The opposite what everyone else is saying.
You are focusing on a photo/description for the adaptive suspension, which is correct, has been so for many different model ranges, including the F3x 3-series. G20 has the Adaptive M suspension option, nothing ambiguous about that, or needing further explanation.

Within the Drive Performance Control, you now have more options than the previous F3x models with Adaptive M suspension. You have the improved Individual setting options and the additional Adaptive Mode.

Once you grasp the additional Adaptive Mode is a separate setting/mode within the Drive Performance Control options list, I can't see how there is a problem. You've not been sold some oddity, you have got more options for running with the Adaptive suspension than previous generations.

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Perhaps the broad description (from BMW material) of the Adaptive Mode function for the G11/12 will help to clarify that Adaptive Mode is a complete, 'stand alone' programme, within the Drive Performance Control suite.

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If ADAPTIVE driving mode has been activated via the driving experience switch, the Dynamic Stability Control control unit processes the navigation data to analyses the route and influences the driving program to be activated if necessary. If the vehicle is approaching a sharp bend at high speed, for example, the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) activates Sport mode without any action on the part of the driver. The Vertical Dynamics Platform (VDP) reads in this information and activates the corresponding chassis components for Sport mode.

Conversely, an automatic change in driving program from Sport to Comfort is also possible. If the vehicle exits a twisting section of road through which it has been driven at speed and then drives at constant speed on a straight section, this results in automatic change over to the Comfort driving program. This means that the optimum driving mode with respect to comfort (Comfort) and driving dynamics (Sport) is automatically set without manual operation of the driving experience switch depending on the driving style and probable route. Route guidance need not be activated for this.
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Perhaps the broad description (from BMW material) of the Adaptive Mode function for the G11/12 will help to clarify that Adaptive Mode is a complete, 'stand alone' programme, within the Drive Performance Control suite.

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If ADAPTIVE driving mode has been activated via the driving experience switch, the Dynamic Stability Control control unit processes the navigation data to analyses the route and influences the driving program to be activated if necessary. If the vehicle is approaching a sharp bend at high speed, for example, the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) activates Sport mode without any action on the part of the driver. The Vertical Dynamics Platform (VDP) reads in this information and activates the corresponding chassis components for Sport mode.

Conversely, an automatic change in driving program from Sport to Comfort is also possible. If the vehicle exits a twisting section of road through which it has been driven at speed and then drives at constant speed on a straight section, this results in automatic change over to the Comfort driving program. This means that the optimum driving mode with respect to comfort (Comfort) and driving dynamics (Sport) is automatically set without manual operation of the driving experience switch depending on the driving style and probable route. Route guidance need not be activated for this.
There's the problem.

BMW calls (and describes) it two completely different ways.

1) Adaptive Suspension
2) Adaptive Drive Mode
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There's the problem.

BMW calls (and describes) it two completely different ways.

1) Adaptive Suspension
2) Adaptive Drive Mode
Sorry, but you have a blind spot on this subject.

Forget "Adaptive Mode" for a moment, you have adaptive suspension in all modes.

I assume you don't have an issue with adaptive suspension in Comfort, Sport, or even Eco Pro Modes, however you choose to set the suspension option? So you run adaptive suspension in all those modes.

Why do you have an issue with the additional Adaptive Mode programme in the options suite?
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For the G20... from BMW Press Release. (Red text, my highlight).

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Adaptive M suspension with electronically controlled dampers.

As an alternative to the suspension variants with standard damper technology, customers can also specify Adaptive M suspension....

.ADAPTIVE mode is now also available. With this setting selected, the car automatically adjusts its responses to the driving style and, depending on the equipment specified, to the route profile. The control system responds to accelerator and steering inputs and the position of the selector lever to make the powertrain and suspension characteristics sportier or more comfort-oriented. The map data supplied by the optional navigation system is also used to prepare the car for an upcoming junction or bend.
Adaptive Mode is an added feature in the G20, over and above the previous 3-series models with Adaptive M suspension.
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