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      02-16-2020, 07:26 AM   #9549
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The worst part is they know it's a lie, and I bet the sycophants in the crowd cheered like their favorite sportsball team just won the championship anyway, didn't they?
Well the following arguement can be made to support the claim.

A. Mexico has became our wall, spark by Trumo threatening Mexico with 5% up to 25% tariffs on it's good Mexico is now helping with the detainment or illegals coming from central and south america, something mexico wasn't doing in algreat effect. Furtheremorw Mexico is reinforcing and upgrading it own wall.

So the fact we aren't paying to detain people that Mexico is now arresting which frees up resource from shelter, food, and water can now be allocated to our own wall.

B. Those who slip by and are working are contributing to taxes (according to the democrat party) so they are paying for their inevitable deportation.

But as always the media doesn't like reporting facts anymore.
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Well the following arguement can be made to support the claim.

A. Mexico has became our wall, spark by Trumo threatening Mexico with 5% up to 25% tariffs on it's good Mexico is now helping with the detainment or illegals coming from central and south america, something mexico wasn't doing in algreat effect. Furtheremorw Mexico is reinforcing and upgrading it own wall.

So the fact we aren't paying to detain people that Mexico is now arresting which frees up resource from shelter, food, and water can now be allocated to our own wall.

B. Those who slip by and are working are contributing to taxes (according to the democrat party) so they are paying for their inevitable deportation.

But as always the media doesn't like reporting facts anymore.
Because those aren't fucking facts, man.
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Because those aren't fucking facts, man.
Mexico beef up enforcement to meet Trump terms
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/13/74000...t-trumps-terms

Genral cost information
https://www.irli.org/single-post/201...UaAmtXEALw_wcB

Cost of detainment
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/cost...nts-cages.html

Ans you can search yourself all the times the democrats say illegals contribute to the tax pool.

So with all that information on hand you can use your critical thinking skills to figure

A. Mexico is barring the brunt of the cost by detain illegals in Mexico

B. Instead of us paying for those same people it free up money to pay for our wall.

C. If they slip by they are supposely a net contributor (according to democrats) to our tax revenue so they are paying for their deportation once apprehended.

So yes everything I said would be consider true with all the information we have present and using your own critical thinking skills instead of needing the media to spoon feed me a narrative.
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Those who slip by do not help our tax burden, or pay for their own deportation. Whether single or a family, they will claim enough dependents so as not to pay a payroll tax. Of course they do chip in to SS, etc., which they will not see reward for.
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Mexico beef up enforcement to meet Trump terms
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/13/74000...t-trumps-terms

Genral cost information
https://www.irli.org/single-post/201...UaAmtXEALw_wcB

Cost of detainment
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/cost...nts-cages.html

Ans you can search yourself all the times the democrats say illegals contribute to the tax pool.

So with all that information on hand you can use your critical thinking skills to figure

A. Mexico is barring the brunt of the cost by detain illegals in Mexico

B. Instead of us paying for those same people it free up money to pay for our wall.

C. If they slip by they are supposely a net contributor (according to democrats) to our tax revenue so they are paying for their deportation once apprehended.

So yes everything I said would be consider true with all the information we have present and using your own critical thinking skills instead of needing the media to spoon feed me a narrative.
None of which has anything to do with Trump's bullshit claims at his rally that illegals "are paying for his wall".

So, what you posted in 100% spin.
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None of which has anything to do with Trump's bullshit claims at his rally that illegals "are paying for his wall".

So, what you posted in 100% spin.
Refer to all three and yes they are,
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Those who slip by do not help our tax burden, or pay for their own deportation. Whether single or a family, they will claim enough dependents so as not to pay a payroll tax. Of course they do chip in to SS, etc., which they will not see reward for.
Hey I absolutely agree with you but I'm going by Democrat talking points
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That's because he wasn't on TV calling them rapists and stoking fear. The overwhelming majority of people coming over the border illegally are simply looking for a better life and the overwhelming majority of violent crimes in the US are perpetrated by good ole US citizens. It's fear-mongering, plain and simple. Also, visa overstays have outnumbered illegal border crossings by half a million since 2007, and most of them come via airplane.

Show me some proof that terrorists have crossed our southern border. Last time I checked, the worst terrorists in US history came over on airplanes and trained at a US flight school. The Vegas shooter was as American as apple pie. Columbine? American. Sandy Hook? American. Opioid epidemic? USA! USA! USA!

The evil from within poses a much greater risk to "all our families from bad people who hurt us and our kids every single day."
I live on the southern border. Border patrol agents capture a lot of people from the middle east, Africa, and Asia on a daily basis. We don't know their intentions. Most of the time the people who carry out these acts are nobodies. With that said you can't say without a doubt that we haven't stopped terrorist from entering our southern borders.
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Well the following arguement can be made to support the claim.

A. Mexico has became our wall, spark by Trumo threatening Mexico with 5% up to 25% tariffs on it's good Mexico is now helping with the detainment or illegals coming from central and south america, something mexico wasn't doing in algreat effect. Furtheremorw Mexico is reinforcing and upgrading it own wall.

So the fact we aren't paying to detain people that Mexico is now arresting which frees up resource from shelter, food, and water can now be allocated to our own wall.

B. Those who slip by and are working are contributing to taxes (according to the democrat party) so they are paying for their inevitable deportation.

But as always the media doesn't like reporting facts anymore.
Because those aren't fucking facts, man.
Does that ever stop these people?
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      02-16-2020, 02:23 PM   #9558
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Mexico beef up enforcement to meet Trump terms
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/13/74000...t-trumps-terms

Genral cost information
https://www.irli.org/single-post/201...UaAmtXEALw_wcB

Cost of detainment
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/cost...nts-cages.html

Ans you can search yourself all the times the democrats say illegals contribute to the tax pool.

So with all that information on hand you can use your critical thinking skills to figure

A. Mexico is barring the brunt of the cost by detain illegals in Mexico

B. Instead of us paying for those same people it free up money to pay for our wall.

C. If they slip by they are supposely a net contributor (according to democrats) to our tax revenue so they are paying for their deportation once apprehended.

So yes everything I said would be consider true with all the information we have present and using your own critical thinking skills instead of needing the media to spoon feed me a narrative.
He doesn't want to give Trump credit for anything. TDS is strong here. Trump/Mexico has Saved money to pay for that wall several times over with Mexoco doing our job(enforcement), sending illegals back with Trump's agreement but the Dems try to stop him at every turn, having them stay in Mexico, and getting enough Judges to speed up their deportation.

Mexico has done way more for our immigration problem then the Dems. Its another reason why you will see a RED U.S. the day after election. It is going to be such fun on this Board....
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      02-16-2020, 02:46 PM   #9559
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NYT headline tomorrow:

""""""TRUMP CAUSES TRAFFIC JAM"""""""
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NYT headline tomorrow:

""""""TRUMP CAUSES TRAFFIC JAM"""""""
Did the Beast really do a lap? I wanted to see, but didnít want to see it. I wasnít sure they would make it on the banked turns.
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Did the Beast really do a lap? I wanted to see, but didnít want to see it. I wasnít sure they would make it on the banked turns.
It did indeed, but it stayed below the yellow line to avoid the banking.
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It did indeed, but it stayed below the yellow line to avoid the banking.
Thank you!
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That AF1 fly by and Beast lap were awesome!
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He doesn't want to give Trump credit for anything. TDS is strong here. Trump/Mexico has Saved money to pay for that wall several times over with Mexoco doing our job(enforcement), sending illegals back with Trump's agreement but the Dems try to stop him at every turn, having them stay in Mexico, and getting enough Judges to speed up their deportation.

Mexico has done way more for our immigration problem then the Dems. Its another reason why you will see a RED U.S. the day after election. It is going to be such fun on this Board....
I happily give Trump credit when due.

Those things Norman listed (other than the BS about illegals paying for their own deportation costs via taxes - which he admits are BS, but keeps posting) are good things.

What they are not, however, are examples of "illegals paying for the wall" which was the claim under discussion.

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I happily give Trump credit when due.

Those things Norman listed (other than the BS about illegals paying for their own deportation costs via taxes - which he admits are BS, but keeps posting) are good things.

What they are not, however, are examples of "illegals paying for the wall" which was the claim under discussion.

I just can't recall you giving him credit for anything. But I agree with the rest

I would say though Mexico literally is paying for the wall.
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I just can't recall you giving him credit for anything. But I agree with the rest

I would say though Mexico literally is paying for the wall.
And you would literally be wrong, but that's your prerogative.
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That AF1 fly by and Beast lap were awesome!
Should US taxpayers be paying for this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN20A0GZ
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Should US taxpayers be paying for this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN20A0GZ
Meh, we pay for every military flyover.

Now some of those might be requisite training hours and thus some of the costs defrayed, but I'm sure it doesn't add up to much.

AF1 was already in Daytona because the President was. Not much of a big deal, IMO.

His constant trips to Bedminster and Mar a Lago are a much bigger cost concern, again IMO.
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Should US taxpayers be paying for this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN20A0GZ
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Meh, we pay for every military flyover.

Now some of those might be requisite training hours and thus some of the costs defrayed, but I'm sure it doesn't add up to much.

AF1 was already in Daytona because the President was. Not much of a big deal, IMO.

His constant trips to Bedminster and Mar a Lago are a much bigger cost concern, again IMO.
It's a training flight. Air Crews need to be kept sharp and training flights are an efficient way to keep the swords sharp.
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It's a training flight. Air Crews need to be kept sharp and training flights are an efficient way to keep the swords sharp.
The greater question is the $600+ a night the SS gets charged at Trump resorts............why so much?
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