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      05-23-2018, 02:53 PM   #23
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I would like to recruit for my religion. May I have equal time as well, and I'd like the govt to pay for it.
I donít get it. U.s. military is a religion?
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I remember 10 years ago the only time we saw any anthems on t.v were for the superbowl/world series. Who's idea was to televise the national anthem before every game in existence.
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I remember 10 years ago the only time we saw any anthems on t.v were for the superbowl/world series. Who's idea was to televise the national anthem before every game in existence.
I remember the national anthem played at most sporting events for my whole life. Iím in my 40ís.
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I never understood why the military is so involved with American sporting events. This makes perfect sense.
Though you live in very close proximity, you have a very fundamental lack of understanding of what it means to be an American citizen. This is fine, I too, share a lack of understanding of what it means to be a Canadian citizen (subject?).

Our military personnel come from all walks of life, all areas of the country and for the last two-plus centuries have been part of some of the most important events in the history of the world. We aren't perfect and we aren't saints but we have been a force for the overall good of the world since our inception.

I'll never forget the swell of pride I felt when I was 17 and on Costa del Sol in Spain and an aircraft carrier dropped anchor a mile or 2 from the beach. Seeing that representation of the hard work of the citizens and the dedication of our military personnel was something I'll never forget.

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I remember the national anthem played at most sporting events for my whole life. Iím in my 40ís.
Televised? I dont. Live of course.
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I remember the national anthem played at most sporting events for my whole life. Iím in my 40ís.
Do you stand for it etc while watching it on tv?
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I have. Not always for sure. I do always take my hat off though. Why? I think it’s a matter of demonstrating respect. Just as I don’t wear a suit when working at home. I respect the country, it’s history, the soldiers, etc.. I don’t need to stand in my living room to show that to myself. I also clap at concerts to demonstrate respect and admiration of a performance, but not sitting at home watching a concert dvd.
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These aren't displays. They are training flights.
*waste of taxpayer money.
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^This, but you hardcore righties claim to want freedom and uphold the constitution yada yada yada, but you are ok with denying about the most basic one to these players because you don't like it? Very interesting.
They can choose to knee and their employer can choose what to do with them and I can choose to watch or not watch. Freedom is choice and everything I listed demostrated choice
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^This, but you hardcore righties claim to want freedom and uphold the constitution yada yada yada, but you are ok with denying about the most basic one to these players because you don't like it? Very interesting.
In their free time, go ahead and kneel. When you are at your job being paid a lot of money to play, just play and leave politics out of it. No body watches football for the protest drama.
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I do not support kneeling on the field during the National Anthem so this new policy is fine with me. If you want to protest, stay in the locker room.
Reading the policy they use the word "should".

There there is no legal definition of the word "Should", and as such, is generally considered a permissive word. It is not a "shall" or "must" which are legal imperatives requiring a certain compliance or action.

Any player who refuses to stand, though it may not be helpful to their career, would not be in violation of the policy.

I don't see it as an organization's attempt to thwart the rights of the players as much as an appeasement, perhaps, to sustained political pressure.

It probably won't work.
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Do you stand for it etc while watching it on tv?
That's an interesting observation.
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Reading the policy they use the word "should".

There there is no legal definition of the word "Should", and as such, is generally considered a permissive word. It is not a "shall" or "must" which are legal imperatives requiring a certain compliance or action.

Any player who refuses to stand, though it may not be helpful to their career, would not be in violation of the policy.

I don't see it as an organization's attempt to thwart the rights of the players as much as an appeasement, perhaps, to sustained political pressure.

It probably won't work.
This is from the nfl, not the individual teams. It says should, because the nfl wonít be penalizing players, they will be penalizing teams. Should, in this case, is what the nfl would prefer.
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Though you live in very close proximity, you have a very fundamental lack of understanding of what it means to be an American citizen. This is fine, I too, share a lack of understanding of what it means to be a Canadian citizen (subject?).

Our military personnel come from all walks of life, all areas of the country and for the last two-plus centuries have been part of some of the most important events in the history of the world. We aren't perfect and we aren't saints but we have been a force for the overall good of the world since our inception.

I'll never forget the swell of pride I felt when I was 17 and on Costa del Sol in Spain and an aircraft carrier dropped anchor a mile or 2 from the beach. Seeing that representation of the hard work of the citizens and the dedication of our military personnel was something I'll never forget.

Cheers-mk
I agree and I think it is even more fundamental. It has a very rich historical basis. Think of what it took more than 200 years ago to rip ourselves away from English rule, to establish our constitution, laws and our government; think of what each one of those stars and bars means and the hard work and bloodshed it took to establish statehood to join a union of other states for the common good. God, can you imaging what it took to carry that flag in the front lines of the civil war? When it fell another picked her up and carried it forward -- over and over again. Its humbling.

I was taught to respect the flag as a child by my mom and dad, my schools and church, and I also learned later in life the meaning and importance of our rights. I respect those who have stood, those who stand, those who have fallen and those who kneel.

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I have. Not always for sure. I do always take my hat off though. Why? I think it’s a matter of demonstrating respect. Just as I don’t wear a suit when working at home. I respect the country, it’s history, the soldiers, etc.. I don’t need to stand in my living room to show that to myself. I also clap at concerts to demonstrate respect and admiration of a performance, but not sitting at home watching a concert dvd.
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In their free time, go ahead and kneel. When you are at your job being paid a lot of money to play, just play and leave politics out of it. No body watches football for the protest drama.
What does getting paid for it have to do with anything or whether you are at the game or not? You are either for always respecting it or you aren't. Really, you are equate clapping at concert as the same importance/idea as respecting the flag/anthem?

So some of you think respecting the flag (which embodies respecting those who have fought/died for the ideals of the US for which the flag represents) by disrespecting one of the greatest ideals it stands for? By wishing harm on those who decide to use that freedom etc for a cause that has nothing to do with disrespecting veterans etc? Sorry, it just sounds crazy/disingenuous and against what everybody fought for in the first damn place. I find that far more disrespectful to what the flag stands for than kneeling during the anthem etc.

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*waste of taxpayer money.
I agree with MK, it is budgeted in as training. If they didn't fly over a stadium they would've used that money to fly somewhere else. It is getting spent regardless.
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lol at the people saying the nfl enacting this policy is squashing their constitutional rights. You guys are morons.

lol at the people saying this is anti patriotic and they should all stand. you guys are morons

NFL recently made it a policy to have players on the field for games. And even more recently, mainly once they started having the military pay them to advertise for them, is when they started televising. All this is doing is helping the NFL get some of their lost revenue back, by reverting to previous rules.
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Our military personnel come from all walks of life, all areas of the country and for the last two-plus centuries have been part of some of the most important events in the history of the world. We aren't perfect and we aren't saints but we have been a force for the overall good of the world since our inception.
Ditto.
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What does getting paid for it have to do with anything or whether you are at the game or not? You are either for always respecting it or you aren't. Really, you are equate clapping at concert as the same importance/idea as respecting the flag/anthem?

So some of you think respecting the flag (which embodies respecting those who have fought/died for the ideals of the US for which the flag represents) by disrespecting one of the greatest ideals it stands for? By wishing harm on those who decide to use that freedom etc for a cause that has nothing to do with disrespecting veterans etc? Sorry, it just sounds crazy/disingenuous and against what everybody fought for in the first damn place. I find that far more disrespectful to what the flag stands for than kneeling during the anthem etc.
I am always for respecting it. And I always do. Itís a SIGN of respect. I donít need to stand in my living room to signify my respect, there is nobody to signify it to. If you want to though, I think itís great. Itís called being civilized and brought up right. Wear collared shirt to dinner. Call your elders man and sir. Say please and thank you. Wearing clean clothes is a sign of respect and adherence to a dignified society. I might hang around half the day in my underwear when at home on the weekend, not going to go out to a steakhouse in my underwear.
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Standing for the anthem is a way of signifying you respect it. If there is nobody to signify it to, then not necessary. Doesn’t change the way I KNOW I feel.
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Do you stand for it etc while watching it on tv?
Absolutely. Just as if I happen to be walking outside at 0800 when colors are played either at the school across the street or the military base a bit further down the block (I'm still not sure which) I stop and stand at attention.

And no, it's not because I served. Unfortunately, I was "blessed" with insulin-dependent diabetes at a young age and was unable to serve.
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