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      08-02-2019, 10:20 AM   #903
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The car is an utter disappointment. Toyota has lost their way that’s for certain.
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      08-02-2019, 11:42 AM   #904
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Finally saw this in person , and the plethora of fake vents just killed it for me
Can understand if this were a $30k Subaru .....but come on !
$60k and fake vents , plus body lines specificly made to accommodate such fake vents
What were they thinking
IIRC they’re covered with removable blanks
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      08-02-2019, 12:00 PM   #905
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They sold 320 Supras in the last 10 days of July.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...ly-2019-sales/
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      08-02-2019, 12:49 PM   #906
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I think the C8 will probably have the most affect on the Supra among the 2 seater imports. I don't think the Cayman/Boxter will be affected as much since those buyers are not as purely performance/speed concerned as the Supra buyers. The 100K 911 buyers won't be cross shopping with the C8 as much either because of the price difference.
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      08-03-2019, 01:55 AM   #907
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Yeah Supra idea was nice in theory except it's a BMW. Probably not reliable like the all mighty MKIV. No manual and now for a few grand more you can get a mid engine corvette. Wtf is the world coming too??? And none of those cars can touch a Tesla in the quarter. Strange times indeed.
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      08-03-2019, 01:23 PM   #908
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Yeah Supra idea was nice in theory except it's a BMW. Probably not reliable like the all mighty MKIV. No manual and now for a few grand more you can get a mid engine corvette. Wtf is the world coming too??? And none of those cars can touch a Tesla in the quarter. Strange times indeed.
There's a video on youtube that goes into detail about the joint venture between BMW and Toyota while developing the twins. It explicitly says that the Toyota technicians took the B58, stress tested every single component down to the nuts and bolts as well and any piece that did not meet Toyota reliability standards was sent back to BMW and replaced with something that did meet their standards. So as far as reliability goes, I'm sure it will do just fine in stock form. Although too soon to tell because not many high mileage B58 motors out there (of the O1 variant that's in these cars) I'm sure that even when mild tuned it will still maintain reliability.

Also I don't see many cross shopping a Tesla with these cars because of the raw feel that they give (even with an auto). Lower seating position, still a 2 door coupe, and RWD making <4s sprints to 60 makes for a unique driving experience. Even a model 3 without the performance model can't do <4s sprints and the performance model comes AWD standard which doesn't feel the same as a RWD car, even when not at the limit (came from a tuned/modified 240ix running 3.6s sprints)

The c8 though, even in base trim, comes with an mLSD (not the fancy eLSD of the Z51 package). To me, the c8 is the only other option besides a Supra/Z4 and even that comes down to quality of assembly and dealer experience, both of which Chevy has shown less than desirable in the past. Although quality of parts has improved, assembly still has it's moments. And enjoy the chevy cruze loaner (if you can even get a loaner during your service) that most chevy dealerships will provide for their customers who spent $60k+ on a vehicle. Most BMW dealerships (can't vouch for Toyota) will put you in something of equal or greater value for a service loaner. Oh and as made very apparent when I was trying to get the 8sp fixed under recall in my Colorado ZR2, chevy dealerships will fight you tooth and nail to weasel out of doing the repair (had to go in 3 times to try and get them to do the recall, third time I went to another dealer entirely and they finally did it). When I get my c8 (gonna be a few years since I wasn't patient enough to wait for the c8 debut and got a z4) I will perform all service myself just to avoid the dealer as much as possible.
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IIRC they’re covered with removable blanks
Maybe if you have sawzall. There’s been quite a bit of marketing doublespeak with this car from engineers and others.

https://jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-bel...ine-1831838527
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      08-03-2019, 06:33 PM   #910
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Maybe if you have sawzall. There’s been quite a bit of marketing doublespeak with this car from engineers and others.

https://jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-bel...ine-1831838527
I love how the chief engineer talked about the missing front brace as a purposely designed element for tuners.......when in reality the air box is the same as the Z4 and the simple answer was they cheaped out
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I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...
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      08-03-2019, 07:50 PM   #912
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I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...
Race motor? Really?!

But 4 inches shorter, significantly smaller overall, two seats, possibly better engineering, a smidge less fat and likely quicker lap times might be a few reasons. I think that once the Zupra gets the 385 hp mill, you could easily ask the same question in reverse.

Maybe I missed the memo but it's not like an M2C owns the market. A ZL1 certainly makes a stronger performance play for the money as does a C7 or C8, all of which probably factor more into a Zupra buyers mind than another BMW.
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      08-04-2019, 11:32 PM   #913
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Race motor? Really?!

But 4 inches shorter, significantly smaller overall, two seats, possibly better engineering, a smidge less fat and likely quicker lap times might be a few reasons. I think that once the Zupra gets the 385 hp mill, you could easily ask the same question in reverse.

Maybe I missed the memo but it's not like an M2C owns the market. A ZL1 certainly makes a stronger performance play for the money as does a C7 or C8, all of which probably factor more into a Zupra buyers mind than another BMW.
I'm pretty sure what he is saying is if you had a choice between a M2C and a Supra he would choose the M2C.

C8> M2C> Supra
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I've said this once and I'll say this again... outside of name; why would anyone buy this instead of an M2 comp? why? why?

You can have an M2 comp at a few k msrp off and be close to supra price in a car that is only 1000x better, comes with a race motor; a DCT and a much better interior...
Perhaps someone prefers the looks/size of the Supra?

Thankfully, we don't all like the same things, so we have a variety of choices.
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      08-05-2019, 10:56 AM   #916
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Man didn’t take the feelings on this car to do a 180*. Started out with much excitement and now before they are even hitting the streets in any numbers most car folks have turned on it. Doesn’t bode well for the new car. The introduction of the new Corvette might be the last nail in the coffin of Supra.
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Stock 2017 M3 comp vs stock Supra

[url]https://vimeo.com/352090230[//url]

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Holy sh*t. That's a second and a half off of top quality time for BMW CCA I-Prepared class race cars.

For point of reference, I-Prepared are E36 M3s gutted, caged, with r-comps and some minor aerodynamics. 2,8xx with driver, 285-ish HP per rules, and 255 r-comps all around. To do that with a car that weighs 1,000# more, on street tires, is pretty damn good.

Again, for point of reference. This is a C7 Stingray Z51. Club racer/time trial level skillset, which isn't to say she's significantly slower than Dai. As far as I'm concerned, good club racer and time-trial drivers should be within 1 second of pros in the same car.

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yeah but top gear also tested the supra around their track. And it was 1.5 seconds slower than a stock F80.
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Holy sh*t. That's a second and a half off of top quality time for BMW CCA I-Prepared class race cars.

For point of reference, I-Prepared are E36 M3s gutted, caged, with r-comps and some minor aerodynamics. 2,8xx with driver, 285-ish HP per rules, and 255 r-comps all around. To do that with a car that weighs 1,000# more, on street tires, is pretty damn good.

Again, for point of reference. This is a C7 Stingray Z51. Club racer/time trial level skillset, which isn't to say she's significantly slower than Dai. As far as I'm concerned, good club racer and time-trial drivers should be within 1 second of pros in the same car.
Dai is a beast. For comparison that is 2sec slower than stock GTR time set by Steve Millen 10+ years ago. Not bad for new Supra.

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well FWIW, this Toyota has the best stock engine ever put into a Toyota lol
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well FWIW, this Toyota has the best stock engine ever put into a Toyota lol
I hope this is a bad joke.
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I hope this is a bad joke.
oh yeah, what was better?
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