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      09-24-2019, 03:08 PM   #45
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Since we are getting the M4 this time around I’m quietly hoping that the M3 get the G20’s grills. This will give us a good reading at the end of the M4’s life cycle how successful the big cool grilles ended up vs a traditional conservative design. I don’t think it will happen but if I was Hooydonk I would lobby hard for it to prove a point
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Damn!! I just put my deposit down on a 911S thinking M3 wasn't gonna be available until 2022. You guys....
Uhh I know! I put a deposit down on a Bugatti thinking the M3 wouldn't be available for a few more years. Oh well guess I'm stuck with the Chiron.
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      09-24-2019, 07:26 PM   #47
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Uhh I know! I put a deposit down on a Bugatti thinking the M3 wouldn't be available for a few more years. Oh well guess I'm stuck with the Chiron.
There is no reason making fun of his post.
You don't know if is true
I personally drove F90 M5 that was 150K

Can I effort Porsche? Definitely I can and I will very soon.
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      09-24-2019, 08:29 PM   #48
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There is no reason making fun of his post.
You don't know if is true
I personally drove F90 M5 that was 150K

Can I effort Porsche? Definitely I can and I will very soon.
Haha no problem - it was a fun read.

My goal with my post was to show BMW that people leave the brand because of their bad planning and late announcements. They need to fix this stupid schedule of M releases. My dream car has always been an M3 - and would have loved one.

Re. affordability - Affordability wise it is an uncomfortable zone for me (msrp $126k) but I just went for it thinking it is once in a lifetime.
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      09-25-2019, 12:25 PM   #49
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I'll wait for the i4 GC
Equally interested in i4 GC.
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      09-25-2019, 12:27 PM   #50
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March 2020 seems too far away for G 8x M3, considering the G20 has been in production since end 2018.
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      09-25-2019, 12:34 PM   #51
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There is no reason making fun of his post.
You don't know if is true
I personally drove F90 M5 that was 150K

Can I effort Porsche? Definitely I can and I will very soon.
I wasnt poking fun by assuming his post was untrue. I was poking fun by exaggerating the fact that he decided to buy a car which costs 50%+ more because of perceived bad timing.
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      09-25-2019, 02:33 PM   #52
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My goal with my post was to show BMW that people leave the brand because of their bad planning and late announcements. They need to fix this stupid schedule of M releases.
I'm also really getting bored having to try and time my car purchases to work around a completely unknown 1-2yr hiatus in production (I usually keep cars 3 yrs). Combine that with dealerships gouging for the first delivery slots of the new car and it's a miserable customer experience.

I'm currently cross-shopping AMG C63S, Audi RS3 / 5 and others since I may as well have some short term fun while I wait for BMW. As others have said, money isn't the issue here - it's finding a car that fits my needs and I can purchase at a time that works for me without playing 'secret wait lists' and 'destination markups' with the dealerships.

I purchased (new) 2 or 3 of every M3(4) car since E46- but sometimes BMW make it REALLY HARD!
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      09-25-2019, 05:01 PM   #53
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As long as ED is allowed and there is a manual, I have zero complaints.
Do whatever you want to the grilles and start production whenever possible.
See you at the Welt.....


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      09-25-2019, 05:17 PM   #54
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As long as ED is allowed and there is a manual, I have zero complaints.
Do whatever you want to the grilles and start production whenever possible.
See you at the Welt.....
Yes!
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      09-25-2019, 10:30 PM   #55
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Any idea on when we’ll see them hit US dealers?
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      09-26-2019, 05:53 AM   #56
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Wow, that’s going to cause some surprised faces, and probably some gloating too. Not only is that an entire year ahead of (in relative terms) the last generation model (and even further ahead of the E90), but it means the M3 will debut the face of the G2x 4 Series (or at least the grill and headlights, anyway).

Or, is it possible BMW tricked us with the M3 mules, and the M3 will use the G2x 3 Series grill/headlights instead? I know a number of folks were betting (or at least hoping for) on that. However, that seems even more unlikely than a 2020 SOP seemed at this point, though I suspect the early release date will lead more than a few to hold out hope.
I found a video from last week in which they're running multiple prototypes.


The one at 3:01 clearly has a G20 front end.



Some of the cars in the vid also sound much louder than others - I suspect those are US spec cars without OPF, and also there is a manual car too (1:11).
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I found a video from last week in which they're running multiple prototypes.

The one at 3:01 clearly has a G20 front end.
Like I said earlier, seeing all of the M3 prototypes with the tall grill is what had sealed the deal for me that its release would coincide with the M4. It seemed like a lock. However, with reliable intel saying it's coming about a year before the M4, the shared front end is hard to understand.

If we'd had knowledge of the early 2020 M3 release months ago, I'll bet there would have been a lot more talk about the possibility of the tall-grill M3 test vehicles actually being powertrain mules for the M4, while the small-grill M3 test vehicles were the "real" M3 mules. Meanwhile, there is still a group who firmly believe that the early 2020 M3 date is incorrect.

Disclaimer: none of the above should be mistaken for me registering any opinion whatsoever. Just idle banter.
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I found a video from last week in which they're running multiple prototypes.

Some of the cars in the vid also sound much louder than others - I suspect those are US spec cars without OPF, and also there is a manual car too (1:11).
The car in the top pic looks way more complete and tells me it's a prototype car much further along in development than the car in the bottom pic with the G20 grills. That car looks like an early mule to me.

Agreed that the car at 1:11 sounded like a manual shift.
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      09-26-2019, 10:19 AM   #59
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March 2020 seems too far away for G 8x M3, considering the G20 has been in production since end 2018.
It was never supposed to come out in 2019. March 2020 would be earlier than expected for G80 M3.
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It was never supposed to come out in 2019. March 2020 would be earlier than expected for G80 M3.
yeah based on typical 7 year cycle early 2021 was expected release, so if productions starts in March 2020 thats a full year early, not out of the question but surprising. Maybe BMW feels like they need to do what Mercedes does and close the gap between 3 series and M version launches (AMG I think is within a year if not at the same time depending on model).
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      09-26-2019, 02:58 PM   #61
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The regular 2 door has a much sportier appearance than the 4 door, lower and wider. This look suits the M3 well so I can understand why BMW design the M3 with the M4 front. When you move up to the M5 and M8 it’s different since the M5 is more of a wolf in sheep’s clothing and need to appeal to more conservative business executives where the 5 series front is arguably a better match. That and the price gap where you need to get something more unique when paying M8 coin.

My guess is that the M3 continues sharing front with the M4 but it’s more of 80/20 guess than 100%
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That would be a very accelerated timeline if those early G80 production cars are intended for public distribution.

Comparing to the F8X timeline:
  • August 2013: M4 Concept unveiling
  • November 2013: M3 and M4 Press release
  • January 2014: Public appearance Detroit Auto Show
  • April 2014: Customer production start

In my opinion, we have seen too little of the G80 for it to be available for public purchase in early 2020.
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BMW is planning March '20 SOP yet they won't release any official details about drivetrain, suspension, or dimensions?

Either the SOP is completely off or since BMW has very little to boast in technology, they are trying to blur out technical details with all the launch hypes.
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There's a real possibility I misinterpreted the clues available to me. After review, I don't think they can be used to make a reliable prediction.

It is unfortunate this specific item ended up on the front page, causing so much emotion. I didn't expect it to draw so much attention, otherwise I would have been more careful with the claim. I'm sorry.
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Didn't expect to draw so much attention?

We are dying here to get the info needed to plane our purchase better.
Please understand that I'm here these days only because I have something to contribute. My personal interest in BMWs has diminished over the years. Once my wife's 135i is sold (anyone looking for one owner never modded N54 6MT - PM me), we will not have a BMW in the driveway for the first time in 17 years. So I can't properly judge the audience interest anymore.
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To me it makes sense to speed it up. Why wait?
If it is not March it will be July, IMO.
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