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2019+ BMW 3 AND 4-SERIES FORUMS (G2x Generation) General G80 M3 / G82 M4 Forum (2019+) For those disgusted with the G8X...

View Poll Results: My choice for a G8X alternative will be a....
Mercedes 35 12.07%
Porsche 122 42.07%
Audi 25 8.62%
TESLA 24 8.28%
Chevrolet Corvette C8 32 11.03%
Other (..be specific) 52 17.93%
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      11-23-2019, 05:38 PM   #89
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992 GT3 for $140k? How do you plan on doing that? Do you feel confident you'll get an allocation?

A lot of what you're looking at isn't available yet ... but maybe you could get the C8 when it is available, or at least test drive one .... and then go from there? Can always trade in the F80 later....
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Good luck buying a brand new GT3 for $140k. That's about what you'd pay for a GT3 that's about 2-3 years old. When I was looking at them earlier this year, the 2014-2015 GT3's were selling for around $130-140k.
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Disclaimer - I'm not in the market for an M3. But if I were, I'd think very hard about cross-shopping it with something much worse - a charger scat-pack widebody.

And this is probably coming from a place of ignorance - I've never owned either car long term so I don't know if buying an FCA product at the end of the day is going to ruin me. But holy cow does it look amazing. Those fender flares, incredible muscular stance and the air scoop. This is how you do aggressive without grafting on an oversized grille. Also that engine, it's so full of drama. It's alive, and it makes you feel alive every time you turn it on (I've driven the current scatpack)

Also, one my favorite car journalists - Jason cammisa seems to like it. I know he's polarizing but he doesn't BS and just tells you how it is.

[IMG]https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GL...f-7ce331abdccd[/IMG]
Those are REALLY cool. And they sound awesome
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      11-24-2019, 01:23 PM   #91
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      11-24-2019, 01:54 PM   #92
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I just wanted to join the conversation of what I'll get if the G82 doesn't pan out. What would I get in that case? No idea, don't really want to think about it since the only other car I like the combination of ergonomics, handling, quality and overall ownership experience of is Porsche, but the Panny is overpriced and the 911's rear seats aren't useful. So likely it will be an F90 M5 in that case. Hah, I might have an idea after all but then she said coupe, and no way I'm going M8.
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      11-25-2019, 09:35 PM   #93
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I'm honestly starting to worry for this gen of M3/4 for a couple of reasons.

1) Styling (aka the beaver grills)
2) S58 Turbo Lag/Mediocre Exhaust Note
3) Heavier weight of AWD system on an already larger wheelbase and heavier overall vehicle
4) No DCT, just slushbox (if you need an auto or AWD)
5) Too much power/pushing the limits for the RWD + Manual to put down power properly (similar to F10)
6) The usual numb steering

Hopefully BMW will prove me wrong, but right now, I don't have too much faith, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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      12-04-2019, 08:23 AM   #94
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Good luck buying a brand new GT3 for $140k. That's about what you'd pay for a GT3 that's about 2-3 years old. When I was looking at them earlier this year, the 2014-2015 GT3's were selling for around $130-140k.
Sorry, for typo. $160k is what I meant to type.
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      12-09-2019, 03:19 PM   #95
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This thing is going to be an abomination.
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      12-09-2019, 06:06 PM   #96
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This thing is going to be an abomination.
My contingency plan if some reason I don't like it is to hopefully find a gently used M3 CS coming off lease in 2021.
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      12-10-2019, 12:37 AM   #97
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My contingency plan if some reason I don't like it is to hopefully find a gently used M3 CS coming off lease in 2021.
991 GT3 or GTS for me.

I have not pulled the trigger as I was really hoping this would be my first euro delivery car, so I can't justify making the switch until I know for sure its a dud.
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      12-12-2019, 09:26 AM   #98
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The facelifted 2020 Audi RS5 looking really good...

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      12-12-2019, 11:47 AM   #99
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The facelifted 2020 Audi RS5 looking really good...

Agreed, it looks special on the showroom floor. Ergonomics and driving dynamics likely still falls short of even the outgoing M3 though. But hey if a controversial grille design trumps that aspect of car ownership, the RS5 looks like a solid choice...
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      12-15-2019, 11:01 PM   #100
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I've jumped from a C6 to an M4 to a C7Z to an M2C.
struggles with traction in all 4 cars.
so the 4WD is a plus.
I'm cross shopping between the G82 and the C8.
I love this phase
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      12-16-2019, 05:16 AM   #101
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M3 Comp AWD Euro Delivery unless car looks and drives like total shi*t (which I don't think it will)
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      12-17-2019, 09:13 AM   #102
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I hope it's nice and expensive, then with some luck we can get rid of all the 'for XXX I'd buy a Porsche' comments from the forum

That would be pretty awesome!!!
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      12-17-2019, 09:49 PM   #103
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Will just get an F90 and call it a day most likely.
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      12-22-2019, 12:27 PM   #104
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Other - keeping the F80 and satisfied the itch for an S58 with the wife’s XM3 Competition.
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      12-23-2019, 05:05 PM   #105
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Again, drive a 997 vs a 992 Porsche and see how far the 911 has moved towards a Grand Touring car vs a Sports Car.
How is the 992 911 like a grand touring car? What's the difference between a grand touring car and a sports car?
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      12-24-2019, 01:44 AM   #106
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How is the 992 911 like a grand touring car? What's the difference between a grand touring car and a sports car?
arbitrary line in the sand separating cars that look and sound good but are comfortable and softer with worse lap times and canyon carving capabilities and cares less about saving weight than having all the features and creature comforts (GT)versus something that makes sacrifices in comfort for outright performance and driving "feel" (sports car).

The 911 seems to have been toeing the line most of its existence... which is why people love it so much. it blurs the line.
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C8 Z06 for me, anticipating ~$100k with options and taxes. That is, unless I find a used, low mileage, 4.0L (2018+) GT3 for $140k. Even so, I might keep the M4 as a daily driver and the GT3 on the weekends.
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      12-26-2019, 01:18 PM   #108
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None, I will get the next gen m3/4 regardless of how much I don't like the grill design.
Only choice for me is if I want the m3 or m4. Of course with a stick and 100% those CF seats.

This is because I can't comfortably afford a Porsche that I want.
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      12-27-2019, 12:22 PM   #109
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How is the 992 911 like a grand touring car? What's the difference between a grand touring car and a sports car?
A GT car is fast, but more insulated from road noise, engine noise, road feedback, tends to be heavier, etc.

The Cayman/Boxster have taken up the sports car end of the spectrum (except for the GT cars) compared to the 911 for Porsche. Lighter weight, more focused, more feedback are just a few of things you notice driving the cars back to back. Porsche also artificially limits the performance of the 718 platform by not putting their top motors in them to ensure the new 911 remains the tip of the performance pyramid for them.

All of this is subjective obviously and performance is becoming less important since almost every cars has super car numbers now relative to 30 years ago. In 1989 a 911 Turbo did 0-60 in 5.5 seconds now a Toyota Camry does it in 5.3 seconds. Does a 4.0 vs a 3.5 0-60 really make a difference other than bragging rights? Personally I still want a 911 over a Cayman just because that was my dream growing up although I would probably enjoy the driving dynamics of the Cayman more. Again just personal bias and opinion.
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