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2019+ BMW 3 AND 4-SERIES FORUMS (G2x Generation) General G80 M3 / G82 M4 Forum (2019+) BMW M President confirms G80 M3 leaks, car won't be released until 2021

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      10-29-2019, 01:51 PM   #67
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If I recall correctly this is the 1st time in M3 history the engine is off-the-shelf. An engine fully tested and in production. The transmission and drive-line has been in production quite a while on the M5 as well. This should logically allow for a shorter time to market than prior generations should BMW want.

Personally I don’t think the M3 has been held back to wait for the M4 in the past since it make no business sense. M3 buyers are picky, they want 4 doors and they want M3 track ability, I.e. when the M3 is off the market BMW lose or delay sales which is far worse than to reveal the front of the coupe pre-maturely. I simply believe the M3 weren’t ready before the M4 in the case of the F80 due to all new parts and technology/engineering to be tuned to be M3 worthy in that car ( S55, FI, EPS etc. ). A lot of development and testing required.

This time it seems the M3 is close to being ready well in advance of the M4 with test runs on the production line of the complete product happening now.

To me it is very strange if we will see a joint launch.

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      10-29-2019, 01:54 PM   #68
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Phew! Finally confirmation of what we've already come to learn and just enough obscurity for the grill doubters to resurface.

Personally I don't think the next M3/M4 will get the grills because there won't be a next gen M3/M4. How's that for denial.
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      10-29-2019, 02:12 PM   #69
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Personally I don’t think the M3 has been held back to wait for the M4 in the past since it make no business sense. M3 buyers are picky, they want 4 doors and they want M3 track ability, I.e. when the M3 is off the market BMW lose or delay sales which is far worse than to reveal the front of the coupe. I simply believe the M3 were’t ready before the M4 in the case of the F80.
Oh? And what about the X5 M? It was just released, long after the X5 was, and in conjunction with the X6 M which - you guessed it - had to wait for the standard X6 to launch. It's using the same engine as the M5 and M8 and the same AWD system that other BMWs use, including M SUVs like the X3 M.

If it made sense to release the M3 before the M4, then they would simply make the investment to allow for that to that happen. It's not like BMW M is given short notice and caught by surprise with upcoming new models. The idea that something "just wasn't ready" doesn't make sense in context - its one corporate entity who controls the launch of all of their products. They have the resources to release them any time they want depending on what their intelligence about the market tells them will be the most profitable.

And finally, don't forget that having the new M3 on the market at the same time the old M4 is still available could present additional challenges. You should absolutely believe that BMW has the ability to quantify that in terms of revenue and factors all of that into their decision making.

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This time it seems the M3 is close to being ready well in advance of the M4 with test runs on the production line of the complete product happening now.
The same has been true of past BMW products, M and otherwise, including recent ones.

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To me it is very strange if we will see a joint launch.
With all the above in mind, is it still strange? If so, are you now also baffled by the long delay the X5 M saw too? And are you trying - right now - to come up with an excuse for the X5 M that could not also be applied to the M3?
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      10-29-2019, 02:17 PM   #70
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It'd be nice if they were using this period of time to get a DCT developed for the car. The ZF8 is great, but it doesn't feel like the DCT at all.
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The M6GC I believe was produced to September 2018 while the F90 M5 started production in December 2017 so overlapping a new generation M sedan while an older coupe version of the car is in production has recently been done. So this would not in itself be unprecedented.
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The M6GC I believe was produced to September 2018 while the F90 M5 started production in December 2017 so overlapping a new generation M sedan while an older coupe version of the car is in production has recently been done. So this would not in itself be unprecedented.
That's right. So in that case they obviously determined that it made the most sense to do it that way. But that doesn't mean that it would make sense in every other case. To wit, you are no doubt aware that the M6 was the last of its kind for the foreseeable future. That fact could very well have played a role in the decision to release the M5 as early as they did this time.

Whatever the reason, it clearly did not become the new normal for all M product launches since two counter examples - the X5/X6 M I already mentioned, and the X3/X4 M as well - have occurred since.
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The media will attend a driving day which will specifically feature the M3 so they will get to try the new car in its camouflaged prototype stage.

I see it as both being introduced by this time next year just as the X5M and X6M in which X6 just launched in August, with the next 4 debuting in June next year.

Now what does that give time for in that space between launches that would be highly relevant for the M3 and M4?
The return of the CSL moniker and the launch of M2 CSL, M4 CSL and M8 CSL ….
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It'd be nice if they were using this period of time to get a DCT developed for the car. The ZF8 is great, but it doesn't feel like the DCT at all.
Decision has already been made - BMW has opted to not design a new DCT.. where have you been? .

literally your best option hope is for them to holdover the current design....

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/w...-transmission/
https://www.thedrive.com/news/9582/b...-their-way-out

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It'd be nice if they were using this period of time to get a DCT developed for the car. The ZF8 is great, but it doesn't feel like the DCT at all.
Decision has already been made - no new DCT.. where have you been? .
I suspect that I am in the minority, but I prefer the ZF 8 speed to DCT.
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That's right. So in that case they obviously determined that it made the most sense to do it that way. But that doesn't mean that it would make sense in every other case. To wit, you are no doubt aware that the M6 was the last of its kind for the foreseeable future. That fact could very well have played a role in the decision to release the M5 as early as they did this time.

Whatever the reason, it clearly did not become the new normal for all M product launches since two counter examples - the X5/X6 M I already mentioned, and the X3/X4 M as well - have occurred since.
In the case of the X5M the base X5, the G05 had the shortest time to market I think I ever seen for a BMW giving less time for X5M development and leading to an unusual amount of quality issues on the 2019s if the forum here is a decent gauge. This is obviously speculation on my part but I wouldn’t be surprised if the time to finish the X5M to a level expected by an M car just required the time to the launch and it wasn’t that it was held back at least not for any significant time.
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No changes are being made. Both the 4/i4 and M3/M4 all use the same interpretation. There is no going back now as they are all signed off for production.
BRING. IT. ON. I'm all for this!
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BRING. IT. ON. I'm all for this!
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So the car's ready now, but BMW won't be taking pre-orders until about a year from now. It's sitting out its rookie season.
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It'd be nice if they were using this period of time to get a DCT developed for the car. The ZF8 is great, but it doesn't feel like the DCT at all.
Alas I think that ship has sailed.
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Revisiting this thread.

Xdrive + Manual is pretty sweet.

I was planning on a RWD/6MT, but 'Big Grilles' could be a perfect winter sled for those of us that hit the mountains or live in a cold climate.
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I'm hoping they can maybe have the car successfully go on a diet. We really don't need anymore weight increases. While xDrive is cool and all, how heavy will it cause the M3 to be?
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My guess is the leaks was a part of the marketing team strategy, and will be revealed sometime this winter and maybe see some cars at autoshows during December and January. Production this spring 2020 and deliveries in the summer as model year 2021. I guess will
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I'm hoping they can maybe have the car successfully go on a diet. We really don't need anymore weight increases. While xDrive is cool and all, how heavy will it cause the M3 to be?
IMO the ship has sailed for the M3 to be a lightweight car. Itís just too big and luxurious. BMW did a good job with the F8X in this regard but it didnít come for free. It robbed the car of mechanical feel and cheapened the feel of materials. The car feel more plastic and thin than itís predecessors and Iím not sure itís worth it to be honest. If the car can be made agile and athletic with engineering tricks and retain a more substantial mechanical feel Iím cool with that this time around.
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My guess is the leaks was a part of the marketing team strategy, and will be revealed sometime this winter and maybe see some cars at autoshows during December and January. Production this spring 2020 and deliveries in the summer as model year 2021. I guess will
see if I'm right or not.
I agree. I don't see them waiting another year for no reason. This car is being released next year.
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I agree. I don't see them waiting another year for no reason. This car is being released next year.
Last three have been on a 7 year cycle in the US, '01 E46, '08 E90/92, '15 F80/82. Starting sales in 1/21 would let them call it a '22. I'm not saying that's a viable reason for the delay, just one factor.
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Late 2020 SOP and early 2021 release would align with pretty much every previous M3 release. I'm not really sure why anyone is surprised by this :
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The return of the CSL moniker and the launch of M2 CSL, M4 CSL and M8 CSL Ö.
In the near future there will be the M2 CS: hype & buzz, accolades, rave reviews, drooling, swag, cool cat, etc.

Later there will be the G80 M3: ///Mom wants a DNA test...
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