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It was a handsome car so that means it's almost impossible for BMW to create a car even slightly similar to it with the current BMW design language.
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Unfortunate that most on here are more concerned with the host than content but I found the video awesome - I had no idea about the history of this car
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I agree about Harry. His trek to the mountains in the Ferrari Purosangue is one of my favorites. And when his buddy loaned him a Bugatti Chiron is incredible. Henry is fantastic at what he does as well and my favorite. Watch the Carfection episode where he drives an E61 M5 Touring with a manual conversion from Everything M3’s that is awesome. |
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I don't. I am also allowed to share that I don't like certain personalities on the tube so that other people won't feel like they're the only ones, because the algorithm says these channels are and thus shall stay successful.
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Even /M engines of that time, or even older /M engines got to that value. The first M5 in the mid 80's already had 82HP/L The 68HP/l combined with the large 5,6L capacity is a fitting engine for a grand tourer, not a track inspired car. For example, it is comparable to the Mercedes M120 6L V12 (394HP, so 66HP/L) as it is found in the 600SL and CL600 in the same era as the 850csi (early 90's). Great grand tourers for sure, but certainly not track inspired cars. BMW was right to call it the 850CSI and not the M8. Maybe a car like the 850CSI would nowadays fit in the BMW M performance line. Quite a few of the M goodies and styling, but still a slight step under a full //M car. Before there was the M performance line of cars, BMW struggled to fit cars like this under a separate branding (like for example Audi did earlier with the S line cars, S3 a step under the RS3 etc.)
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In the 90’s BMW’s M division for various reasons offered other low volume vehicles that fall more in line with your thinking. Unlike the 850CSi, their engines were no different when compared to standard models despite getting true m treatment elsewhere. ‘95 M540i/540i M sport, ‘94 325is M-Tech, ‘95 318Ti Clubsport to name a few. For comparison, contemporary V12’s from other makes…jaguar’s 6.0L was rated at 313hp, Mercedes 6.0l 394hp, and of course there was the 436hp Ferrari 5.5L. Grand touring cars weren’t design for hp/l…big torque numbers, smooth engines, effortless cruising, and style. You are missing the picture and what these vehicles were all about. |
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There is a reason BMW didn't call it the M8. Thinking someone knows better than BMW themselves...is something one could call silly.... Especially as BMW/ M division has researched and made a prototype of what an actual M8 would've looked like. Including a different, much stronger engine. See my video.
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Doesn’t change the fact that the 850CSi is a grand touring car or the fact that it’s every bit an M car the e34 m5 and e36 m3 were. Like those vehicles, it also made more hp/l when compared to its main rivals. |
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Again, there's a reason why BMW didn't call it the M8. To say otherwise is silly. Watch my video. The reporter meticulously explains what a real M8 would've looked like and where it all comes from.
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Your hp/l argument is one you created in your own mind to justify your stance on the matter. The facts do not change. This is a grand touring car, and a car put out by BMW’s M division. The wild over the top exotic M8 in the video you posted is just that. A 1 off car that never saw production, just like the X5 m division built with that same engine. The majority of journalists as well as enthusiasts and owners of these fine cars pretty much are all in Agreeance that this is an M car. They are internally known as the M8 much like the M3 lightweight is internally known as the CSL. They carry a BMW M VIN (starting with WBS clearly indicating it is an M vehicle) just like every real M built. |
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Just watch the video. He explains the multiple reasons why BMW didn't continue with the M8 project. That journalists and owners of the 850CSI think it's an M8 or call it that, doesn't make it an M8. BMW didn't call it an M8 for a reason (well, multiple reasons). They cancelled the M8 project. So no E31 M8.
If BMW had made an actual M8 production car, I think it would've gotten a far more modern and more powerful engine, and not an antiquated design with single overhead camshaft.
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This sure was an awesome car & wish I could get my hands on one. Jason is much better & does far better car history presentations than the talking bobble head we know as Doug.
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Did you actually watch the video? The 850CSi has an M engine, an M VIN and an M8 designation on the german registration papers.
Whether or not that M engine makes X hp/l does not really matter or all that much, the point is they increased hp to a similar degree they did for other engines. Not everything is black-and-white, but the 850 CSi should at least been called M860, but arguably could have been branded the M8 as well, if BMW/M wanted. Back then, they did not, so that is that. |
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Is the CSi badge not good enough? The engine in the 850CSi is not really powerful, nor is it advanced (SOHC, 2 valves per cylinder, which was in the 90's already an antiquated system). Quote:
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