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      12-02-2019, 03:42 PM   #23
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It's a bit smaller, but less impacted than the F30 330e one is. I would much rather have a M340i too for sure, but I run the M4 for weekend/fun/track usage, and between my wife and I we do not far off 60000 miles per annum in our cars, so I have to be pragmatic and sensible about running costs!
And I get that! However, my annual mileage is now probably no more than 12k so, within reason, things like fuel consumption don't matter too much.

Overall I've been been very happy with my F31 but three things I'd like in my next car are a more refined engine (good as the 35d is you can still tell it's a diesel!), less road noise and a better sorted chassis (my car is pre-LCI and, although it has adaptive, the suspension isn't great IMO). Feels like a G21 M340i will fit the bill quite nicely so looking forward to having a look at one later this month!
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And I get that! However, my annual mileage is now probably no more than 12k so, within reason, things like fuel consumption don't matter too much.

Overall I've been been very happy with my F31 but three things I'd like in my next car are a more refined engine (good as the 35d is you can still tell it's a diesel!), less road noise and a better sorted chassis (my car is pre-LCI and, although it has adaptive, the suspension isn't great IMO). Feels like a G21 M340i will fit the bill quite nicely so looking forward to having a look at one later this month!
You'll love it I am sure. The G20 is a huge improvement in all those aspects.
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If it's for performance though I actually now think that just putting it in sports mode may be sufficient, as using it like this on Sunday it never dropped below 11 miles electric range, despite giving up lots of performance and hard acceleration.
Hi Terry, do you think you benefitted more from regeneration, due to driving in Sport mode, on the more spirited run? Obviously you used more fuel, but a gain in regeneration efficiency?
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I'm watching these topics with great interest, as a G21 330e may be the best option for my next car. The reports from long runs add some useful data.

Charging at home for most of my local driving is a key to the 330e making sense for me. Charging from the ICE on a regular basis and for local driving, just doesn't make a case for the 330e, from my perspective.
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I don't really understand this. Does that mean you'd never have to plug it in and you'd always have battery power?
As said, you will use more fuel, not an efficient way to charge the battery.

Personally I'd not consider a 330e, as a private user, if I was not going to use the EV function to the maximum. Without regular charging, (meaning each trip from home), I'd stick with petrol for low annual mileage, diesel for high annual mileage.
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If it's for performance though I actually now think that just putting it in sports mode may be sufficient, as using it like this on Sunday it never dropped below 11 miles electric range, despite giving up lots of performance and hard acceleration.
Hi Terry, do you think you benefitted more from regeneration, due to driving in Sport mode, on the more spirited run? Obviously you used more fuel, but a gain in regeneration efficiency?
Great question, hadn't thought of that, but quite possibly. I was quite surprised to see that electric range wasn't going down, yet wasn't feeling the extra drag on performance that you can detect when just charging up using the engine.

One thing is for sure, the sophistication of how this hybrid system works feels like two generations on from the F30, on so many levels.
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I'm watching these topics with great interest, as a G21 330e may be the best option for my next car. The reports from long runs add some useful data.

Charging at home for most of my local driving is a key to the 330e making sense for me. Charging from the ICE on a regular basis and for local driving, just doesn't make a case for the 330e, from my perspective.
Completely agree. I'd say it's probably the perfect car for a majority of folk, if they're prepared to charge it up at home.
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Thank you for all the very useful information. Most of my driving consists of 40kms per day with an occasional long trip maybe once a month. I believe from what you’re saying that I could make big savings on my daily commute.
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As said, you will use more fuel, not an efficient way to charge the battery.

Personally I'd not consider a 330e, as a private user, if I was not going to use the EV function to the maximum. Without regular charging, (meaning each trip from home), I'd stick with petrol for low annual mileage, diesel for high annual mileage.
Yup. Simply put I wouldn’t be getting one if not for the BIK rate. 30k mpa wouldn’t make sense for me to trade out from a diesel otherwise.
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Yup. Simply put I wouldn’t be getting one if not for the BIK rate. 30k mpa wouldn’t make sense for me to trade out from a diesel otherwise.
I know when discussing the F30 330e with a BMW salesman, as a car for the private user, it just didn't make sense. BIK was certainly a key driver for choosing one on a financial basis.

With the advances in the G20, becomes more attractive to the private user. Home charging and EV range are really important factors, to make any financial sense, when there is no tax advantage.
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      12-03-2019, 02:32 AM   #33
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I know when discussing the F30 330e with a BMW salesman, as a car for the private user, it just didn't make sense. BIK was certainly a key driver for choosing one on a financial basis.

With the advances in the G20, becomes more attractive to the private user. Home charging and EV range are really important factors, to make any financial sense, when there is no tax advantage.
I think if you're a company car driver it's an absolute no-brainer irrespective of mileage. This is even more true if you have a short commute (sub 50 miles). The only exception being if you literally couldn't live with the boot space for whatever reason.

I'm sure others have done similar calculations, but I'm moving from a VW passat (28k p11d) to a BMW 330e (48k p11d) and my tax payment will go down ~£60 per month as of April. Add to that I can charge and improve my private mileage economy by 50%. Even for business trips the HMRC rate still treats it as a 2.0L petrol so I wont be out of pocket - quite the opposite.

I appreciate as a personal user it becomes a lot trickier and the 'sweetspot' for the hybrid is much smaller. Some of the features would perhaps need to come into account to tip the balance (pre-conditioning, no emissions periods). If you have free charge access at work too and a particularly short commute then even better.

Just my thoughts leading up to my decision anyway.

P.S. It should arrive at the dealer next Tuesday!!! Hurrrryyyy up!!!
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I know when discussing the F30 330e with a BMW salesman, as a car for the private user, it just didn't make sense. BIK was certainly a key driver for choosing one on a financial basis.

With the advances in the G20, becomes more attractive to the private user. Home charging and EV range are really important factors, to make any financial sense, when there is no tax advantage.
I think if you're a company car driver it's an absolute no-brainer irrespective of mileage. This is even more true if you have a short commute (sub 50 miles). The only exception being if you literally couldn't live with the boot space for whatever reason.

I'm sure others have done similar calculations, but I'm moving from a VW passat (28k p11d) to a BMW 330e (48k p11d) and my tax payment will go down ~£60 per month as of April. Add to that I can charge and improve my private mileage economy by 50%. Even for business trips the HMRC rate still treats it as a 2.0L petrol so I wont be out of pocket - quite the opposite.

I appreciate as a personal user it becomes a lot trickier and the 'sweetspot' for the hybrid is much smaller. Some of the features would perhaps need to come into account to tip the balance (pre-conditioning, no emissions periods). If you have free charge access at work too and a particularly short commute then even better.

Just my thoughts leading up to my decision anyway.

P.S. It should arrive at the dealer next Tuesday!!! Hurrrryyyy up!!!
With the G20 330e the sweet spot just got much larger for private users though. The key for me is whether you've access at your home to charging. If you do then it's really going to be worth consideration.
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regarding charging costs - everything comes down to the tariff you have.

I opted for Octopus Energy Go or something - the one which is designed for electric car owners. it makes your power price 5p/kwh.

12 KWh battery
3.7 kW AC charging output
3.7kw x 5p = 18.5p/hour
3.3 hrs of charging the battery
18.5p x 3.3hrs = 61.05p/full charge/~30 miles

petrol/diesel would be probably couple of pounds for the same range

if I charge at home every day - it is 18.30 GBP per month on my electric bill - it is less than cost for the half of the tank.
if I make well, 20 miles out of electric only (let's say, as you would make more) on daily basis, then daily charge would cover ~600 miles per month.

so I get probably 1.5 tank worth of distance for the price of 0.5 tank.
a bargain...

and then - single charge covers me 2 daily trips to office. so my actual figures even better!

if anyone wants the same tariff you can use my referal link https://share.octopus.energy/free-ea...?utm_source=em - in this case we both (you and me) will be credited 50£ . if you didn't use the one Tricky shared few months ago

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I worked it out as follows for charging at home with ordinary 3 pin plug - please tell me if I've got it wrong:

12kwh battery
Night-rate per KWh = 7.6c
12 x 7.6c = 91.2c
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I worked it out as follows for charging at home with ordinary 3 pin plug - please tell me if I've got it wrong:

12kwh battery
Night-rate per KWh = 7.6c
12 x 7.6c = 91.2c
I think that is correct, you won't use the full 12 kw though, I think the max usable is around 10 kw.
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I worked it out as follows for charging at home with ordinary 3 pin plug - please tell me if I've got it wrong:

12kwh battery
Night-rate per KWh = 7.6c
12 x 7.6c = 91.2c
well yes. that's essentially what I wrote in more detail
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Could I ask you a question about DAB and text. On an early G20 320i test drive, I couldn’t find a way (not could Sytner) to display the entire song/artist or station information.

Is this possible in the 330e as will order one soon?
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Could I ask you a question about DAB and text. On an early G20 320i test drive, I couldn’t find a way (not could Sytner) to display the entire song/artist or station information.

Is this possible in the 330e as will order one soon?
I was thinking this today.

It wouldn’t take too much to have the DAB information scrolling so you can see all the artist and track info.
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A really interesting thread with thoughtful input.

I have a 330i that returns well over 40mpg - normally 43/44 - on a couple of 100 mile + motorway runs that I regularly undertake in Comfort mode that include a small amount of suburban driving at either end.

Maybe I have misunderstood but the 330e mpg figures aren't what I expected compared to my petrol model?

Not disrespecting hybrid technology or ethos at all - if I could have found a 330e with the right specification at the right price it would have caught my attention.
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I think it’s interesting to look at the overall MPG figures on the 330e rather than individual longer journeys where the 330e isn’t as frugal as a 320d.

So I do a lot of weekend town driving taking kids to various clubs etc.
My MPG figure including all journeys since delivery last November is 61.7mpg which compares very well against my last 520d which was something like 42-44 mpg over all long/short journeys.
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A really interesting thread with thoughtful input.

I have a 330i that returns well over 40mpg - normally 43/44 - on a couple of 100 mile + motorway runs that I regularly undertake in Comfort mode that include a small amount of suburban driving at either end.

Maybe I have misunderstood but the 330e mpg figures aren't what I expected compared to my petrol model?

Not disrespecting hybrid technology or ethos at all - if I could have found a 330e with the right specification at the right price it would have caught my attention.
If we do a 100-150 mile journey we get around 50-55mpg I would say.

If a 330e owner never ever charged their battery, and did mostly longer/motorway journeys then I am sure that a 320/330 would be better... stands to reason when the 330 is carrying around 200kgs of batteries doing nothing, and not getting the type of driving where much energy recuperation would happen.
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I think it’s interesting to look at the overall MPG figures on the 330e rather than individual longer journeys where the 330e isn’t as frugal as a 320d.

So I do a lot of weekend town driving taking kids to various clubs etc.
My MPG figure including all journeys since delivery last November is 61.7mpg which compares very well against my last 520d which was something like 42-44 mpg over all long/short journeys.
I agree, as that is what truly reflects the cars overall running costs on ones pocket. Ours is averaging 50mpg since new now, slowly creeping up after the long trips to Scotland and Poland brought it right down!
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