[seacow]

There is such a lack of clear info here and conflicting data! I was told by lex that the m sport would qualify for 8% but many places have the higher rate.

[Auslander]

It's because dealers and leasing companies aren't fully up to speed with the difference between WLTP and NEDC.

The market is in for a shock when people truly realise what has happened.

[Jebk]

Originally Posted by petrolpusher

I had high hopes for the Passat GTE, but the lease rates are crazy - the standard GTE saloon on our scheme is £550 / month. For perspective, a 520d SE is £450 and a 330e MSport is £455. The Lexus ES300h is £475.

Our limit is £475 with no top-ups - this was introduced because people were speccing up cars with loads of options and then leaving the company mid-lease, which left the business footing the bill for the excess over allowance when the car was re-allocated to a new recruit. Of course, the answer to that is to stop making people redundant... as that's why they got so badly burned.

I think this will all come down to tax - if, as rumoured, the SE Pro comes with a much lower rate than the MSport, I'll go SE Pro and spec. some options (I'm not convinced that the low end leather is any better than Sensatec - Dakota is pretty poor, not sure if the new one is any better) - if I have to pay the same rate as on an MSport, I'll just bite the bullet and get the Lexus.

That's pretty pants. Especially if they're not adding more brands. When I ordered in August 330e was only thing making sense, now there's pretty much the full range of phevs, + Toyota, lexus hybrids and a smattering of full evs(golf, i3 and model 3 which I'm pissed about as id have had one).

[ShereKhan]

Originally Posted by seacow

There is such a lack of clear info here and conflicting data! I was told by lex that the m sport would qualify for 8% but many places have the higher rate.

I have the same issue - I asked for it in writing from Lex. Which they duly provided (using the response from Sytner). I will see if I can hold them to their email. I sense mis-selling going on here...

[Jackrack]

What BIK rates are people currently paying?

Speaking to Sytner they advised it's best to register my new car after 8th April to get the better BIK rate but i have ordered a Msport specced with a few options and am seeing conflicting information about BIK rates?

So confusing!

Either way am sure it is going to be better than my current 330e and a 320d!

[tricky6]

Originally Posted by Jackrack

What BIK rates are people currently paying?

Speaking to Sytner they advised it's best to register my new car after 8th April to get the better BIK rate but i have ordered a Msport specced with a few options and am seeing conflicting information about BIK rates?

So confusing!

Either way am sure it is going to be better than my current 330e and a 320d!

16% on my G20 330e due, to change to 12% come April '20 so will drop to about £170/month for me.

The whole market for non-electric/hybrid company cars will totally drop (if it hasn't already) when people realise how much tax they have to pay for what was once a "normal" (but nice) company car (e.g. 320d, 520d). Anyone desperate to get one would be far better buying themselves privately.

I just wish my company had "got with the times" on full electric. I'd have ordered a Tesla Model 3 if available but currently hybrids are the only option in the catalogue. Apparently they're still debating on how to account for electricity charging costs vs. using the fuel card we get right now. It can't be rocket science, companies like Microsoft already allow Tesla's and have like 50 charge points, not the 6 that we have (shouldn't grumble, I know plenty of folks don't have any!?)

[tricky6]

Originally Posted by seacow

There is such a lack of clear info here and conflicting data! I was told by lex that the m sport would qualify for 8% but many places have the higher rate.

M Sport definitely not 8%, I've been paying 16% since delivery in September, due to drop to 12% from April. I was told the SE Pro did qualify for 8% (from April) but it's the only version.

How BMW haven't got this agreed with HMRC and effectively disseminated to their dealer network I don't know...

[Jackrack]

Originally Posted by tricky6

16% on my G20 330e due, to change to 12% come April '20 so will drop to about £170/month for me.

The whole market for non-electric/hybrid company cars will totally drop (if it hasn't already) when people realise how much tax they have to pay for what was once a "normal" (but nice) company car (e.g. 320d, 520d). Anyone desperate to get one would be far better buying themselves privately.

I just wish my company had "got with the times" on full electric. I'd have ordered a Tesla Model 3 if available but currently hybrids are the only option in the catalogue. Apparently they're still debating on how to account for electricity charging costs vs. using the fuel card we get right now. It can't be rocket science, companies like Microsoft already allow Tesla's and have like 50 charge points, not the 6 that we have (shouldn't grumble, I know plenty of folks don't have any!?)

Interesting...

I had an option of having a Tesla model 3 standard range I think, or the 330e Msport plus with comfort / tech packs - i went for the 330e.

Starting to think it might have been a bad decision now looking at numbers I've worked out i'll be paying an extra £302 / month in tax with the 330e.

Over 3 years that is £10.8k... which if i went for the Tesla route the whole amount would be in my pocket (nearly... excluding the 1% year and added leccy costs per month)

[Jackrack]

Originally Posted by tricky6

M Sport definitely not 8%, I've been paying 16% since delivery in September, due to drop to 12% from April. I was told the SE Pro did qualify for 8% (from April) but it's the only version.

How BMW haven't got this agreed with HMRC and effectively disseminated to their dealer network I don't know...

Is there any point in me waiting till April then with an Msport 330e for registration?

this website says it will still drop 2% if registered after 6th April??

https://www.fleetalliance.co.uk/news...g-wltp-review/

[Auslander]

I don’t think many lease companies or HR departments understand the changes coming in April. The confusion comes because all new cars since late 2017 have had WLTP testing, which was then back calculated to NEDC figures.

Now manufacturers are quoting MPG and electric range from WLTP but emissions from NEDC back calculations.

If your company has a CO2 limit, you may suddenly find your car list severely curtailed!

I’ve put in a request to add Skoda to our choices as the Superb PHEV would be a suitable replacement for my F10.

[Jkwon]

For those of us who got the car before April will drop to 12%. Those who register after April 6th start on 10% yr 1, 11% yr2 and then 12% ur 3 onwards. Our 330es fall into the 30-39 miles electric category (SE *might* be eligible for 41 miles due to its tyres etc?)

[Jackrack]

Originally Posted by Jkwon

For those of us who got the car before April will drop to 12%. Those who register after April 6th start on 10% yr 1, 11% yr2 and then 12% ur 3 onwards. Our 330es fall into the 30-39 miles electric category (SE *might* be eligible for 41 miles due to its tyres etc?)

Cool - so still worth holding off until April to register it even for just a -2% and -1% lower percentage per year.

[Bmwnewbie2]

Just spoken to the dealer re 330e MSport BiK rates. Post April 2020 registration will be 10%, then 11% then 12% over the exit 3 yrs. Electric range 36 miles and CO2 33.

[Jkwon]

Originally Posted by Jackrack

Cool - so still worth holding off until April to register it even for just a -2% and -1% lower percentage per year.

Yep, 3% saving spread over 2 years is better than nothing if you can wait although depends if you're paying over the odds for a diesel currebtly

[Jackrack]

Originally Posted by Jkwon

Yep, 3% saving spread over 2 years is better than nothing if you can wait although depends if you're paying over the odds for a diesel currebtly

In old 330e at present so at 16% BIK so definitely worth the wait.

[Cranester1983]

Definitely worth the wait for you. I was on an old 15 plate C220d with a BIK of around 30 odd %

[Jkwon]

Originally Posted by Cranester1983

Definitely worth the wait for you. I was on an old 15 plate C220d with a BIK of around 30 odd %

Sooner the better for you then?!

[Auslander]

The question still is what the battery only range is on the SE Pro. I suspect it's not going to officially hit 40-something, as I think the current published range is WLTP already.

I need to call BMW to book a recall on my 5 tomorrow - I'll try to get through to someone in corporate sales and hopefully arrange a demo car whilst mine is in for the recall.

[Cranester1983]

Originally Posted by Jkwon

Sooner the better for you then?!

Got mine on 2nd January! The Merc has gone

[tricky6]

Originally Posted by Jackrack

Interesting...

I had an option of having a Tesla model 3 standard range I think, or the 330e Msport plus with comfort / tech packs - i went for the 330e.

Starting to think it might have been a bad decision now looking at numbers I've worked out i'll be paying an extra £302 / month in tax with the 330e.

Over 3 years that is £10.8k... which if i went for the Tesla route the whole amount would be in my pocket (nearly... excluding the 1% year and added leccy costs per month)

I'd double check your numbers. My 330e BIK tax costs just over £200/month now (16%) and will drop to £170/month after April (12%). List price was about £45k with options, yours is probably little higher. Tesla is 0% BIK (I think, from April) but does rise to 1% and then 2% subsequent years, assuming you get the £40k base model. So worst case is £170/month difference which will erode a bit over time (or a bit more if you're a 45% tax payer).

Not sure what the Tesla is like for actual lease cost vs. 330e, possible some of the difference will get eroded further if 330e is cheaper to lease. I think the lease element on mine is about £370/month (ex. VAT of course) via Arval (my company has a pretty large fleet so will get decent rates I'd guess).

Apart from not being able to order one (!!) the other challenge with the Tesla 3 is that the base model is missing some decent kit. You don't even get a proper Sat Nav and I think the real world range is under 200 miles. I'd have to go for the mid level model at least... ;-)

[Auslander]

I don't like pushing for info from someone I won't be sourcing a car through, but one of my LinkedIn contacts is a BMW fleet sales guy - I've dropped him a note to try and get some proper WLTP information on the 330e.

[seacow]

Originally Posted by tricky6

M Sport definitely not 8%, I've been paying 16% since delivery in September, due to drop to 12% from April. I was told the SE Pro did qualify for 8% (from April) but it's the only version.

How BMW haven't got this agreed with HMRC and effectively disseminated to their dealer network I don't know...

Hi there. Do you know this for sure on the 12% and if so could I ask how? There is so little definitive info. As said previously some dealers and lease companies have quoted both figures!!!