[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

I mean...they already offer the different bumper styles in the 3 sedan vs 4 coupe. I don't think it's a stretch to imagine the styling going it's own way on the M3.

Sure, let your imagination run wild. We've discussed the possibility of the M3 breaking off from the M4 in this forum (and in the corresponding forums for past generations of the vehicles) numerous times.

Just keep in mind that the earliest that it could come to pass is the next generation M3 in 2028. We've known for some time now that it's not happening for the G80.

[secretariat]

Originally Posted by jstein55

" we've put a lot of effort into eliminating any disturbances from the steering system…. It's a big task but once achieved it'll make this vehicle very easy to drive."


Seriously, what is going on at bmw, this is just sad and not the company i grew up with and loved owning, its a f****** m3, not a base 330i, we don't want easy to drive we want driver engagement and feedback!!!!

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[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Just keep in mind that the earliest that it could come to pass is the next generation M3 in 2028. We've known for some time now that it's not happening for the G80.

I didn't say it was happening, just that it wasn't impossible based on his comment.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

I didn't say it was happening, just that it wasn't impossible based on his comment.

It's impossible at this stage where the G8X is concerned.

[AlterZgo]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Exactly. Opinions on this horrendous design have not changed.

On the contrary, people are getting used to it in this thread:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1732625

Not nearly as many people spazzing out about the grill there and many saying it doesn't look that bad and it's growing on them.

By the time it's released, it's like a fairly good number (perhaps half if not more) will either like the grill, or be used to it, or no longer have a visceral hatred of it.

A year after launch, it will be pretty much widely accepted like the Lexust predator grill or the Audi shield, etc.

Honestly, this is not a Pontiak Aztek or AMC Gremlin where the looks fundamentally sucked and never ever became acceptable even decades later. I personally found the new grill to be totally fine right from the beginning.

[335i/335d?]

Do you guys think this is correct? Seems extremely high was hoping around 200 g/km. This almost on par with the m5


BMW M3: Fuel consumption in l/100 km (combined): 10,5*, CO2 emissions in g/km (combined): 239* * Preliminary figures with 8-speed M Steptronic transmission and rear wheel drive

239 gram will mean an extra 47000 euro tax over the car price in my country

X3m /x4m has 239 gram too, must be less in the m3, right?

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by AlterZgo

On the contrary, people are getting used to it in this thread:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1732625

Not nearly as many people spazzing out about the grill there and many saying it doesn't look that bad and it's growing on them.

By the time it's released, it's like a fairly good number (perhaps half if not more) will either like the grill, or be used to it, or no longer have a visceral hatred of it.

A year after launch, it will be pretty much widely accepted like the Lexust predator grill or the Audi shield, etc.

Honestly, this is not a Pontiak Aztek or AMC Gremlin where the looks fundamentally sucked and never ever became acceptable even decades later. I personally found the new grill to be totally fine right from the beginning.

I took it as forum members praising the OP's rendering for looking similar to the real car and similar to how the BMW online configurator looks.

But they were still shitting on the actual design.

[Ghostriderf80]

Interesting, i wonder if they will try to save the front of the car with an M5 style.

[OF Hero]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Interesting, i wonder if they will try to save the front of the car with an M5 style.

It would be too muted of a front end to be an M3.

[thatBimmerBloke]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Sorry I wasn't trying to be flip

Those are not the production fenders

That's actually why you're seeing so much wheel gap

That's most likely the case. They do look a bit strange and cut out.

[thatBimmerBloke]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

Noticed that as well. Xdrive will definitely not be an option for me. I don't care if you can turn it off, the weight and compromises are still there. I hope bmw puts the time and effort into tuning the RWD model to be as raw as possible rather than building the xdrive model then just simply removing it. Kind of how they do autos then throw in the manuals as an afterthought.

Looks like they are putting more effort towards AWD. I think even the upcoming 4 series is only coming with xDrive initially.

Originally Posted by NoImDirtyDan

Maybe this will be solved when production wheels and tires are on the car?

Hopefully. Good thing is that the grille looks normal size

[khoa@x-ph.com]

This is the first time BMW offers M xDrive in the BMW M3. I can't wait to experience it when it's official.

[del82]

Personally speaking I can't see the M3 front end and grill being fundamentally different to the G20 - exception being the usual M trinkets and styling. It would be far too costly to have a completely different under skin front end just for the M3.

M4 will copy the 4 series front end with the grill and M3 will be 'normal' sized grill is what I expect. This is in line with the mantra of having the 4 series different to the 3 series rather than the 4 being a 2 version of the 3 series like previous.

We'll soon find out I guess!

[karussell]

can i get one with the test mule coverings. looks good considering the alternative.
also i guess its old since they are sitting together in a car and i don't think they are related.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Considering the saloon starts production first, it would make logical sense the coupe follows the sedan design attributes. Not the other way.

Is the G22 really that much wider than the G20? Probably not enough for that to be the reasoning.

Not like the M version has ever shared its non-M brethren's bumpers.

Like I've said before, the M3 is the "M version" of the 3 series. It's shouldn't be taking it's design cues from the 4-series. Before it was no big deal. Now, it's a pretty big deal with the design language. Now if I want an M3, I have to buy an M4 with 2 extra doors.

What you think makes sense or what is released first has nothing to do with what BMW actually do in their development cycle.

Your M3 is an M4 with 2 extra doors, what do you think it is and conversely the M4 is the M3 with 2 doors less. (you do understand that the change from M3 coupe to M4 was just a marketing exercise don't you?)

You can reverse the statement if it makes it easier for you, "The F82 M4 got the F80 M3 front end". Do you understand now?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by del82

Personally speaking I can't see the M3 front end and grill being fundamentally different to the G20 - exception being the usual M trinkets and styling. It would be far too costly to have a completely different under skin front end just for the M3.

M4 will copy the 4 series front end with the grill and M3 will be 'normal' sized grill is what I expect. This is in line with the mantra of having the 4 series different to the 3 series rather than the 4 being a 2 version of the 3 series like previous.

We'll soon find out I guess!

Stubborn and obviously out of the loop.

[Sedan_Clan]

Hyundai is taking a page out of the huge grille design with the Genesis sedans and coupes. I saw a Genesis coupe today with the huge front grille.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Hyundai is taking a page out of the huge grille design with the Genesis sedans and coupes. I saw a Genesis coupe today with the huge front grille.

"huge" is not the problem, at least not for me. Tons of cars now have huge grilles. The images leaking out of the M4 have *ugly* grilles, an even uglier front bumper around the grilles, and truly stupid looking nostrils on top of the hood.

I can't wait to see this thing in person and find out how it looks in the metal because that often makes all the difference but this car's front end styling problems go far beyond grille size.

Also, while we're on this topic - everyone who has been commenting that the huge grilles must be important for airflow does realize that the middle of the grilles is blocked off by the front crash beam, right? Even the G20 3 series' grilles are partially fake towards the top because they're far larger than they actually need to be.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Hyundai is taking a page out of the huge grille design with the Genesis sedans and coupes. I saw a Genesis coupe today with the huge front grille.

Nothing new, Genesis has had huge grills for a while, even back when they were badged as Hyundai's. If anything they were early to the party.

[Law]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Considering the saloon starts production first, it would make logical sense the coupe follows the sedan design attributes. Not the other way.

...

Like I've said before, the M3 is the "M version" of the 3 series. It's shouldn't be taking it's design cues from the 4-series. Before it was no big deal. Now, it's a pretty big deal with the design language. Now if I want an M3, I have to buy an M4 with 2 extra doors.

The M3 [Sedan] & M4 (prev. M3 Coupe) share the same developmental process and timeline, hence why they have always shared the exact same suspension and front end design.

It's important to understand that the monikers for the 3/4 Series and M3/M4 were only split for marketing reasons.

Internally, they are still based on the same development and chassis, hence the chassis codes G2x and G8x where the '0' digit is the base 4-door sedan and everything else being a suffix, or variant, thereof (i.e., '1' touring, '2' coupé, '3' convertible)

This internal classification structure has remain unchanged and has been like this since the E9x nearly 15 years ago.
The G22 and G82 can wear a 9 Series/M9 badge and it wouldn't change its technical relation to the 3 Series/M3 so long as the chassis continues to be shared.

Originally Posted by del82

Personally speaking I can't see the M3 front end and grill being fundamentally different to the G20 - exception being the usual M trinkets and styling. It would be far too costly to have a completely different under skin front end just for the M3.

M4 will copy the 4 series front end with the grill and M3 will be 'normal' sized grill is what I expect. This is in line with the mantra of having the 4 series different to the 3 series rather than the 4 being a 2 version of the 3 series like previous.

We'll soon find out I guess!

What's more costly is developing a separate front end for the G80 when they already have a front end that both the G80 & G82 can use.

Remember, this isn't just about design aesthetics for BMW M.
In their development, the entire front end of the M3/M4 was based-on and build around the wider base that is the 4 series. From the front subframe and suspension to the drivetrain/engine, they were completely designed and engineered around that front end to work for both the M3 and M4.

It makes little sense developmentally & production-wise to have to then re-engineer that with a G20-based front end design when they can just retro-fit the coupe front onto the sedan.

That's what they did with the E90 M3, that's what they did with the F80 M3, and that's what they'll do with the G80 M3.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by del82

Personally speaking I can't see the M3 front end and grill being fundamentally different to the G20 - exception being the usual M trinkets and styling. It would be far too costly to have a completely different under skin front end just for the M3.

M4 will copy the 4 series front end with the grill and M3 will be 'normal' sized grill is what I expect. This is in line with the mantra of having the 4 series different to the 3 series rather than the 4 being a 2 version of the 3 series like previous.

We'll soon find out I guess!

“Far too costly”?
What happened with the E90M/E92M, F80/F82?
Why too costly all of the sudden?

[LOW4LYF]

To me:
First generation test cars based on the G20, most likely M340i.

Second and newest generation has the F82 frontend.

I don't think G80 will get the G20 front, sorry.


https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/27/bmw-g80-m3-spied/