05-30-2018, 11:34 PM | #1 |
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Genesis G70?
I recently looked at the Genesis G70 interior (their dealership was just next to BMW) and it felt at least one level above any of the BMW 3 series. Honestly, it felt close to 5 series quality with some minor questionable decisions on the controls layout.
Immediately after that I was inside of a brand new F30 330i and it felt like I was on a much cheaper interior for a higher or similar price with the top level G70 trim. Performance wise the top level trim (3.3T engine) puts out also some impressive numbers and includes a mechanical LSD. Not to mention that the majority of the safety features are standard from the lower trim levels and some of them don't even exist on the current 3 series (maybe the next year's model may have them optional since it is BMW) What are your thoughts? |
05-30-2018, 11:58 PM | #2 |
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I used to own an F30, and I could believe that.
Based on sitting in a new X3 and what the G20 will likely look like based on that, my thoughts are BMW has learned their lesson. |
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05-31-2018, 03:34 PM | #3 |
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Just got a new X3 for my wife and agree. When I get into my 2016 F30, it feels like a downgrade.
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Frankly, the most important thing to me is how the car drives. High quality interiors are nice of course, but it's all about the vehicle dynamics for me.
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How are you liking the A4 compared to yours previous F30? I tested drove the A4, the interior fit and finish is much better than the F30. But I am not sure about the drive without the S line package.
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Optional sport suspension which I also got. I'd say it's a very quiet car, the dual clutch is certainly responsive and there just as much power if not more than my n20 based f30. I do have to say the forward weight balance and AWD feels less playful than the BMW. I'll eventually probably come back in a g20 or a g80 tho. But yeah interior trim is nicer, the LCD cockpit feels more premium etc. One thing tho. Compared to a coworkers h&k equipped grancoupe .... The b&o audio is not very good. Probably only a little better than the stock radio in my f30 |
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I think people will be pleasantly surprised by the G20. Many of you forget that the F30 is now 6 years old. That is an eternity in car years.
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If they offered the G70 3.3t with a stick, I'd almost definitely get that car over the G20 seeing as how the G20 will be auto only in the U.S. As it stands, even the G70 2.0t with the LSD and sport package with the 6MT seem like a better option. |
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06-22-2018, 02:56 PM | #9 |
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Genesis cars are all on RWD platforms with their longitudinally mounted engines pushed back to the firewall with good weigh distribution. Initial reviews of the G70 give it pretty good marks for driving dynamics as well as interior quality. Supposedly, the g70 interior is by far the best effort out of any Genesis yet.
The Infiniti G35 was a good competitor to the E90 in terms of driving dynamics but it fell short in interior quality. The G70 could become a true contender to German luxury sedans. We'll have to wait and see. I remain skeptical but optimistic that we'll have another option. When I say "we" I mean people that look at a car for the car, not the badge. Admittedly, the G80 and G90 are a notch below the 5 and 7 and reviews say as much. But the G70 could be nearly as good as a 3 or A4. The 3.3t is also a monster of a motor. More powerful than the B58 in the current 340i and 540i by far. Last edited by upsidedownfunnel; 06-22-2018 at 04:42 PM.. |
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06-26-2018, 01:44 PM | #10 |
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G70 seems like a solid car but it's interior design does not look befitting of the price at all. Looks more Mazda than Audi.
BMW has rolled out some good interiors lately with the 5er and upcoming X5. I just hope they get the driving dynamics right on this thing. |
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It'll go down as one of the worst BMWs of all time, book it. |
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F30 dates back to 2012, I believe. BMW chose to redesign the 3 series after the 7, 5, X3, X5, X4.
The G20 3 Series, when it comes out, will be the newest platform/vehicle in the category. I am sure that it will equal or beat the Audi A4, possibly the Mercedes C300, and for sure the Genesis G70. |
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07-17-2018, 05:34 PM | #13 |
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Over the weekend I saw a an "Everyday Car" episode comparing the Kia Stinger 3.3T with a current 430i Gran Coupe Msport.
The Stinger got the final nod, and mainly it was due to the 3.3T AWD and RWD. The reviewers thought that they were doing a better comparo by selecting a nearly fully loaded 430i Msport at around $53K because the 3.3T Stinger was fully loaded at that price. For me that was not a proper review at all because as we know BMW costs a good bit more for it's options. That's not a good thing, but when comparing the actual performance and utility of "every day cars", then why choose a price point when that was the main issue with the reviews. By doing that the greater power of the 3.3T really wowed them. Yes, the BMW 2.0T is a great 4cyl engine, but the 3.0 inline 6 is the direct match to the Kia/Hyundai 3.3T. With the price point limiting the BMW, they then knocked the BMW because the Stinger's 3.3T was so powerful and nice. Yeah, well...Duh! Still, the very interesting thing is how much both reviewers liked the 330i Msport overall. Regarding the overall handling and performance there was really nothing negative other than the quite common "number steering feel", but that was also a complaint about the Stinger. And, the new reviews of the G70 also say the same about it's steering. Also, the reviewers stated the obvious that we BMW owners already know, that BMW's power numbers are not indicative of the cars actual performance, and that the actual power numbers are higher than what BMW states. The Stingers accel numbers and the G70 accel numbers are around 4.5 to 60, which is right there with a 340i and 440i. So, having a higher HP and/or torque number means nothing, because, as always, the real power is about how the overall package moves the vehicle. So, this now "old" F30 330i Msport compares quite favorably to a brand new Stinger, and we can extrapolate that to the new G70. The G70 is a bit smaller and lighter than the Stinger, while sharing the engines and drive lines. Another oddity with initial reviews is that the Stinger 2.0T is mainly reviewed as being quite good with the lower powered engine, just like the 3 series. However, I just read 3 new reviews of the G70, and 2 of the 3 did not really like the 2.0T in the G70 saying it was kind of sluggish to respond. The outlier review liked the 2.0T G70. The Everyday Driver review speaks quite highly of the current 3/4 series, even though the initial F30 set a precedent for the repetitive bitching we've all been doing. I know from direct experience that that LCI was a nice improvement in all areas of handling and driving. The improvements were not drastic, but certainly noticeable in power, suspension, and steering. If the LCI F30 was the initial F30 release in 2012, I think the complaints and bitching would have been a good bit less. But, that's history now. The issue with the G20 is that it's taking BMW too fk'ing long to get it to market. For me that has caused an issue where I may leave BMW for a couple years, and if the G20 is a return to form, then I'll likely be back. BTW, I saw a Stinger in person and I am highly impressed with the build quality and feel of the interior. The Stinger interior and materials quality and feel and feel of operation of the switches and buttons is superior to my 340i. I haven't seen or felt a G70 so I can't speak to that. |
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I'm a big a BMW fan as any but you can't hide behind your badge. The Genesis is superior to the F30. We'll see about the G20 once comparison reviews are conducted.
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Might as well get G70. Honestly, when I got my first BMW early 2000's there was nothing like it on the road. Now you G20 won't even have a stick, might as well just get the most HP for your buck in RWD
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07-20-2018, 03:11 PM | #16 |
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I have not driven a G70 nor a Stinger.
I can only extrapolate from what I've read, heard, and seen regarding the most direct comparison of an F30 based BMW compared to a G70 and Stinger based platform. The Everyday Driver video comparo I wrote about above included two reviewers who both drove the Kia Stinger and a current 430i Gran Coupe. Their final conclusion is that they preferred the new Stinger over the now outgoing F30 based 430i GC. And, that conclusion was mostly based on comparing the Stinger 3.3T/V6 to the lower powered 430i GC 2.0T/4cyl. They clearly and distinctly made their observations on those cars overall performance and feel. Their comments do not at all support your opinion that a G70 is, or would be, "leaps and bounds..." ahead of any F30. As far as "superior" G70 to any F30 that too is hyperbole. It would be pointless at this point to compare the new G70 to the now old F30 3 series, as the new G20 3 series is right around the corner. It has become evident that reviewers of the Stinger and G70 really like those new automobiles, and that those new cars are very much up to par to the other brands they compete with, and in some areas they do accel. So, the new Stinger and G70 are going to be excellent additions for drivers and fans of sport sedans who can't and won't get on the fashion train to drive SUVs and CUVs. I'm looking forward to testing out a G70, very much so. I have an appointment to test drive a Stinger 3.3T this weekend, and I hope to keep that appointment. The Stinger is a touch too big for my liking, but then, when I saw it in person last week I was greatly impressed. |
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The G70 seems like a really solid entry into the segment. Unlike the Giulia, ATS, and XE it doesn't seem to have any glaring flaws from a product stand point. It is super well-rounded just like the A4. It's success will depend on their ability to compete on leases with their non-existent dealership network. I suspect the G20 will finally catch up with the times. BMW's F-platform days have been a dark time in the brand's history. Truly a lost decade. It seems like the latest cars like the X3, 5-series, new X5, etc. have stepped it up from a design, interior, and driving perspective. |
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Car & Driver legitimately placed the IS over the F30 (335i M Sport) in terms of handling and steering. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m-sport-page-3 The interior, while worse than MB and Audi, is still a slight improvement over the E90. It's acceptable at best. BMW interiors have always been meh. Never stylish, never very premium compared to its peers. I'd rather they continue to focus on the handling and not go too crazy on the interior. I always liked BMW's understated simple and solid interiors. |
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The interior added a few swoopy lines on the dash and glued on a tablet. Otherwise it is far too similar to the E90. The plastics around the center console are a clear downgrade from the E90's wood and padded surfaces. Yes BMW's interiors have always been on the simple side but with each new generation you it at least looked like a new generation and were still superior to the competition. Based on spy shots, it does look like the G20's interior will finally be modernized just as the new X5's is compared to the F15's very E70-like cabin. The F30 will go down as one of BMW's most forgettable cars of all time as it is wholly undeserving of the roundel, just like the F10. |
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I do hope that the G20 gets the Live Cockpit available on the new X5 and 8 series.
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Isn't it supposed to be? Lol all new model versus a model seen first 7 years ago
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It looks like most major publications in the US have their first reviews out:
- Car&Driver - Motor Trend - Jalopnik I've test driven the Stinger GT, and I came out relatively impressed by it. It's not a sports car, but as a GT car, it's quite a bargain for what it offers. It's still too soft to compare against the 3/4er or A4/5 though (and my opinion of the F30 isn't very high to begin with). All these reviews state that the G70 is lighter/smaller and exhibits less body roll, and ultimately is a better driver's car. I am not sure if the G70 is my cup of tea, but I will be lining up to test drive it for sure. |
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