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Could never justify that price for a 4 cylinder 3 series.
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The trick with these cars is to keep the options in check.
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02-09-2019, 06:42 PM | #115 |
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The upcoming G80/82/83 will be priced higher, thus why a pure model might be offered for the G80 6MT strippers that are price sensitive.
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X2 M35i and 330i xDrive MSport? Are these cars or fax machines?
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02-10-2019, 01:56 AM | #118 |
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The pure won’t be about price for people that want one, it’s about a more raw traditional M car experience, rather than a techno-fest gadget laden 4wd machine.
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Thanks for sharing! I was able to get the Driver's Guide with this VIN.
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Another aspect of price increase is demand as in supply and demand basics used in economics, right? And I don't see demand increased that much over 2006. However they are reducing free maintenance from 4 years to 3 and it is no longer transferable from original owner. Seriously if you look at e90 and new 3 series side by side, there not that much features/tech added. But maybe you are right, it is the 30-40% inflation we went through here in US in the last decade.
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1927 to 2006 is definitely a longer period than 2006 to 2019, but technology nowadays is also moving forward at a much faster pace than in a comparable 13 year period "back then". I wouldn't necessarily call any newer features "breakthroughs" either, as it's hard to radically redefine things relative to when they were invented. I would call these features advancements though: new CLAR platform, stiffer chassis, reworked suspension, limited slip differential available from the factory, laser&led adaptive headlights, generally higher build quality, etc. If we look back closer, the F30's base price wasn't far off from the G20's. The main difference is made up from the options, but like I've mentioned there are quite a few newly available ones to bump the final price higher. I'm sure the E90 could be made for a very similar price like back then (obviously adjusted for inflation, etc), but current day cars aren't just different in terms of performance, luxury, and general features you see, but also below the skin that I'm hoping most people won't ever need to take advantage of during a crash. There's also the ever increasing emissions regulations requiring further research and development and additional parts being built in. It's also true that model line-ups share a lot of parts and technology features, but the research and development that go into these also isn't just so they can get even at best by only using it in a very limited number of cars, but spreading the costs out through their models, and of course making money. Plus obviously new things always carry a premium in their early stages of availability. I'm also not seeing how competitors prices are any lower comparably. |
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And 56k is far from the base price with options included that weren't even available to order on E90s. (but I believe base model also offers far more) Calling them pretty much the same car is a bit farfetched, but I guess then we can say that's my opinion. What adds value to a customer is based on each individual customer. But R&D costs are there, whether you personally appreciate it or not, then it's up for you to decide if you're looking for what it provides and pay the price. I'd say someone looking for better handling will appreciate a stiffer chassis. And I think most anyone will appreciate the more compliant ride possible with the CLAR platform and/or the upgraded suspension. Last edited by KTN; 02-10-2019 at 04:43 PM.. |
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I can definitely see this on the G series. And when it does, that's nuts. 100k = certified P Car money.
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I'm happy to drive it. I fully expect it to be a huge improvement on the F30 driving dynamics wise but the F30 is by far the worst 3 series ever made so that is a low bar. It's still going to be a far cry from BMW's of old however, just like the 5 series and every other modern BMW I have driven.
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But taking into account inflation is not a matter of opinion, especially when we're talking about a period longer than a decade. And a base 3er is not 56k in the US. |
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2014: Lowest trim MSRP $16,945 2019: Lowest trim MSRP $21,895 (redesign) That's a 29.2% increase in price! If you want a cheaper 3-er in the US, it's not the 3-series anymore, there's always the 2-series. |
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Agreed, I turned in my 2015 328xi in October and am jumping to another brand for the first time since 1994. Maybe I'll be back but for the next 3 years I'm going to give the G70 a shot. It seems to have a good mix of the things that made the 3 series great in the past and I'm getting a loaded twin turbo 6 awd for $48k. If I get a turbo 6 and similar options on the 3 I'm looking at $62-65k. I really want a 6 cylinder again but just have a hard time with paying that much. I also like the way the G70 looks, not a fan of the new 3 in std or msport.
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And we don't want 2 series. I want 3er or I go elsewhere and this is what most pple will do. I expect BMW to loose sales or be offering big discounts. Let's check back in 6-8 months?
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