[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by SabineBimmer

It's a blank slate, just need to leave room for all applicable info-without info overload.

Exactly. BMW prides themselves on their tech and iDrive, yet when it comes to customization they even lag behind JLR who's electronics to put nicely are pure s***. I would love something similar to the AMG gauges in the C43/63. Choice of center tech, normal analogue set, as well as different types of widgets.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

Time to see the final product.

We had our "Virtual" AGM this morning. In the after discussion in which we saw the new M5 and M5 CS. The M3/M4 are not far from being signed off. Launch is still expected in the 4th quarter with no specific delays due to Covid-19.

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

We had our "Virtual" AGM this morning. In the after discussion in which we saw the new M5 and M5 CS. The M3/M4 are not far from being signed off. Launch is still expected in the 4th quarter with no specific delays due to Covid-19.

Scott - honest question, what does "signed off" mean? Like the final approval to produce the car as is? Or approval to show its final form? Just curious what u mean specifically.

Like until it's signed off the car could effectively keep changing?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Exactly. BMW prides themselves on their tech and iDrive, yet when it comes to customization they even lag behind JLR who's electronics to put nicely are pure s***. I would love something similar to the AMG gauges in the C43/63. Choice of center tech, normal analogue set, as well as different types of widgets.

Agreed and nice led tach. but holy sh*t the framing of that cluster is unbelievably ugly and distracting.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

We had our "Virtual" AGM this morning. In the after discussion in which we saw the new M5 and M5 CS. The M3/M4 are not far from being signed off. Launch is still expected in the 4th quarter with no specific delays due to Covid-19.

Scott, I think this may have been mentioned... will the M4 S58-6MT paring version be at launch?

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

Scott - honest question, what does "signed off" mean? Like the final approval to produce the car as is? Or approval to show its final form? Just curious what u mean specifically.

Like until it's signed off the car could effectively keep changing?

My take is that signed off means for final production aka the finished goods. Track testing i.e. R&D is two winter and two summer cycles. Software is still beimg calibrated with communication and data back to Munich. The BMW product road map is always 10 years out. Don't forget that marketing needs to be filmed/video produced months in advance prior to market reveal.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

We had our "Virtual" AGM this morning. In the after discussion in which we saw the new M5 and M5 CS. The M3/M4 are not far from being signed off. Launch is still expected in the 4th quarter with no specific delays due to Covid-19.

Do you know if 6MT will be available in all markets especially RHD? Or will it be USDM only like E60/63 and F10/13?

[Colinv6]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Do you know if 6MT will be available in all markets especially RHD? Or will it be USDM only like E60/63 and F10/13?

I also want to know this. If there’s one thing that will tempt me out of my CS, it’ll be a UK manual version.

I will not buy a ZF 8 speed. Rather just keep mine and add an e92 to the stable.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

I also want to know this. If there’s one thing that will tempt me out of my CS, it’ll be a UK manual version.

I will not buy a ZF 8 speed. Rather just keep mine and add an e92 to the stable.

I noticed a few months ago that you couldn't spec an 6MT M4 any more on the UK website.

I think I could put up with no ventilated seats for the last 6MT BMW

[CanAutM3]

That was fun to watch

[kern417]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

Scott - honest question, what does "signed off" mean? Like the final approval to produce the car as is? Or approval to show its final form? Just curious what u mean specifically.

Like until it's signed off the car could effectively keep changing?

Originally Posted by Ibiza

My take is that signed off means for final production aka the finished goods. Track testing i.e. R&D is two winter and two summer cycles. Software is still beimg calibrated with communication and data back to Munich. The BMW product road map is always 10 years out. Don't forget that marketing needs to be filmed/video produced months in advance prior to market reveal.

In automotive, "signed off" means the engineers have signed off on the final design. All testing (safety, reliability, etc.) have met a minimum requirement to begin production. If launch will be in a few months, I wouldn't expect any significant changes in appearance. They're mostly working through small fitment/manufacturing issues at this point.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

Scott - honest question, what does "signed off" mean? Like the final approval to produce the car as is? Or approval to show its final form? Just curious what u mean specifically.

Like until it's signed off the car could effectively keep changing?

You are still seeing the car being tested in a manner of environments.
Each BMW goes through a strenuous testing cycle in order for the car to meet requirements before entering official production. However a car can be tweaked right up to its official market launch.

There are still (in hand) prototype drives scheduled for the media this summer.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Scott, I think this may have been mentioned... will the M4 S58-6MT paring version be at launch?

I know that both M3 and M4 will continue to offer a manual transmission. Germany will have both to offer.
What I do not know is whether your specific market distributor will offer you this choice?

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Do you know if 6MT will be available in all markets especially RHD? Or will it be USDM only like E60/63 and F10/13?

I know that both M3 and M4 will continue to offer a manual transmission. Germany will have both to offer.
What I do not know is whether your specific market distributor will offer you this choice? Has your market made any commitment to honour the manual transmission in general?

I would expect that offering a manual would be still be expected across all global networks? Especially as Markus has stated that the manual would still be offered in these cars ?

I only speak for the German market. Any variation on the market would be proposed by your countries distribution network.

[SCOTT26]

As per official statement. They did state officially that the M2,M3 and M4 will still be offered with manual transmission.

If your countries distribution network continue to offer the above and manually then I would estimate that yes you will see a manual for the next M3 and M4 models.

But I can only confirm for Germany.

[solstice]

Hard to believe it’s just over 2w left of May. The G22 reveal is getting very close if rumors of a June reveal will hold. With the M440 as template together with these spied cars the G82 renders should become very close to the real thing

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

You are still seeing the car being tested in a manner of environments.
Each BMW goes through a strenuous testing cycle in order for the car to meet requirements before entering official production. However a car can be tweaked right up to its official market launch.

There are still (in hand) prototype drives scheduled for the media this summer.

Also, each BMW despite being a series or M has to be "signed off" by the respective BMW AG Vice President, such as chassis. I had the pleasure years ago of having the current BMW M Vice President as my instructor for 2 days training on the Ring. The 1st km is very important regarding the chassis as this straight away puts a lot of compression stress. My 2nd ring instructor 2 years ago was the former lead R&D engineer for the 1st two X5M/X6M generations.

All the test runs we are seeing now are various BMW AG management heads taking their turn behind the wheel prior to their department "signing off".

Another tibet as that any BMW AG employee who tests a prototype on the Ring has to be certified every 2 years based on their Ring time. Not all engineers can test on the Ring, as the 1st two stages are at the BMW Driving Academy outside of Munich.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I know that both M3 and M4 will continue to offer a manual transmission. Germany will have both to offer.
What I do not know is whether your specific market distributor will offer you this choice? Has your market made any commitment to honour the manual transmission in general?

I would expect that offering a manual would be still be expected across all global networks? Especially as Markus has stated that the manual would still be offered in these cars ?

I only speak for the German market. Any variation on the market would be proposed by your countries distribution network.

Thanks Scott, I guess if RHD 6MT is available I can always import from UK or Japan if it isn't available in NZ. But if RHD 6MT isn't available....

[SabineBimmer]

Just saw a YouTube video about the 3.0 CSL Homage. Is BMW trying to emulate that car with the large grilles? If so, I could warm up to the new sizes but still feel they could've/should've done better.

[AlejoEvo]

Originally Posted by SabineBimmer

Just saw a YouTube video about the 3.0 CSL Homage. Is BMW trying to emulate that car with the large grilles? If so, I could warm up to the new sizes but still feel they could've/should've done better.

I can live with the large grills and the new headlights if I got one of those!! 😂😂

[pbar]

Originally Posted by AlejoEvo

I can live with the large grills and the new headlights if I got one of those!! 😂😂

Yes - I'd be willing to bet that 90% of people on this forum would jump at that design. There are a few who are fully brainwashed into the "you'll get used to whatever our BMW overlords think will sell the most" mentality, but that CSL hommage makes me *want one* - in the same way that every 10-y-o kid wants a Lamborghini.

[hamzag20]

Bruh with these new grills getting only larger I'm getting automated youtube ads w the X7 and 8er w these grills too. 😂😂😂