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      12-29-2019, 08:56 AM   #221
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My 330e is still on 07/2019.30 and despite having remote upgrades enabled there is no sign of update; I think some people in Sweden/Norway already have gotten OTAs. Need to talk to a shop about upgrade to 11/2019.XX.
Yes, I received it OTA about 10 days ago, in Norway. Folks from the US have had to go to the dealer to get it installed.
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      12-29-2019, 09:23 AM   #222
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This time at 4-5°C outside. Total distance 29Km, 25 in electric mode, and have 11Kms left.

Air Con ON, and driving in hybrid mode.
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      12-29-2019, 11:12 AM   #223
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Interesting to hear about the laser headlights. They were a €2k option that I also have ordered as deer are a problem around here. Are they as good as BMW claim?
I'd say they are amazingly good for purpose such as avoiding deer. Insane power when road is fully dark and yet they keep side of the road lit when there is traffic. I would not have ordered them had I specced my 330e myself, but now that I have them and know how good they are I will propably get them in all my future cars. I had a very close call with a moose some years ago; never saw it before I passed it with distance less than a meter and I occasionally drive in area that has biggest concentration of deer in our country.

As for electric distance I'm starting to think there is a lot of truth in advice that says "charge+climatize just before you leave". A few days ago I charged from a Type 2 public charging station in a mall (16A = 3.7 kW) from 10% to 100%, climatized while still plugged in and left almost immediately. It was below zero in celsius yet I drove 36 km home and still had 11 km / 26% battery left; obviously I had heating on all the way. I'm thinking the 3,7 kW charging heated the battery to near summer temperature and I got near summer mileage; a very good result IMO with M-Sport 19 inch 791M wheels + Nokian R3 Winter tires; this setup is far from economical one and propably has quite high rolling resistance.
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Yes, I received it OTA about 10 days ago, in Norway. Folks from the US have had to go to the dealer to get it installed.
Which version did you get OTA? Was it a smooth update? I did not know it was working anywhere.
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      12-29-2019, 12:53 PM   #225
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Yes, I received it OTA about 10 days ago, in Norway. Folks from the US have had to go to the dealer to get it installed.
Which version did you get OTA? Was it a smooth update? I did not know it was working anywhere.
Yes, everything good. Take a look here for more info: https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=25583997
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Yes, everything good. Take a look here for more info: https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=25583997
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      12-29-2019, 03:41 PM   #227
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An alternative to laser lights, for seeing deer and other animals in the road, is nightvision. And nightvision works whether you are using low or high beams.
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I've had my 330e for the past month and a half. BMW claims that the electric motor has a range of 60 km/37 miles. I'm consistently getting 32-33km/19-20miles of range.

Is anyone else getting less than the advertised range? Is there a problem with my car or is it just that big of difference between numbers claimed and actual numbers?
I fully understand what you are saying
the way I think is regardless how we drive once fully charged it should tell you what range we can get at a full charge - however then it should decrease on how you drive
how do we even know if it ever can get rage quoted by BMW- most of us are getting 22mile once full charged this less then half of 37mile quoted by BMW
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Hi there,

I will be getting a new G20 330e next week (got a corporate deal, about €35k for a base spec one with connectivity package), from what I read it will suit well my daily commute of 30km round trip inside the city, and have charging points available at work for daily charging

One thing I also do is about once a month I do a 800km round trip (350km each direction) on motorway, what kind of mileage will I be getting at 130-140km/h on your experience?
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      12-30-2019, 07:51 AM   #231
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Hi there,

I will be getting a new G20 330e next week (got a corporate deal, about €35k for a base spec one with connectivity package), from what I read it will suit well my daily commute of 30km round trip inside the city, and have charging points available at work for daily charging

One thing I also do is about once a month I do a 800km round trip (350km each direction) on motorway, what kind of mileage will I be getting at 130-140km/h on your experience?
I'm on my way to Copenhagen from Oslo right now. That's gonna be 600+ Kms. one way. I'll let you know later today what kind of fuel economy I get.
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I am getting around 40km+ on one charge. It has once incidated 50k to E when fully charged but usually it is is showing 44-45KM when fully charged.

However I have one gripe, pre-heating the cabin before taking off eats up 10km of charge ... What is the purpose of pre-heating from a battery PoV if it eats up as much energy as heating the car while driving? At the moment I don't have charging station so I assume the charger cannot cope with charing and heating the car as it seems that the battery is doing the heating and not the fact that the car is plugged into the wall which is odd.
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I am getting around 40km+ on one charge. It has once incidated 50k to E when fully charged but usually it is is showing 44-45KM when fully charged.

However I have one gripe, pre-heating the cabin before taking off eats up 10km of charge ... What is the purpose of pre-heating from a battery PoV if it eats up as much energy as heating the car while driving? At the moment I don't have charging station so I assume the charger cannot cope with charing and heating the car as it seems that the battery is doing the heating and not the fact that the car is plugged into the wall which is odd.
The heater can take up to 5 kW (that is about 10% of battery in 12 minutes) and I assume it often does since it is superfast/powerfull. If one has a charging station that can give 16A /3.7 kW the draw on battery is smaller.

I currently use 8 A charging from wall plug at home; I set timed climatization to be ready 20-25 minutes before I actually leave. The car is still way warmer than without any climatization and there is no ice in windows and I usually have 100% battery available when I leave since there has been time to charge the battery after climatization.

I'm getting 40-45 km despite heating requirements from freezing temperatures by using method above.

But this is one of the main reason I'm soon installing a charging station at home.
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Yes a wall charger will keep the battery topped up as I preheat the car every morning and it is always at 100% when I drive off. Never even used the wall plug so I can't say.
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One thing I also do is about once a month I do a 800km round trip (350km each direction) on motorway, what kind of mileage will I be getting at 130-140km/h on your experience?
Sorry for not posting before, I forgot to take the picture when I arrived, but here you have a rough idea a couple of days later (I'll make sure I check it when I get back tomorrow night and post again).

I looked at the numbers when I had driven about 80% of the total trip, and the fuel economy was about 17Km/l, with the car fully charged before starting the trip, and with about 15Kms. left of range. The battery was depleted when I completed the trip though, but the car saved it for when I was in the city.

The average speed was above 100Km/H. I drove about 90% of the trip at between 100 to ~120Km/H.

You can see in the picture below that even after a few trips around town the average speed is pretty high. The car also is very good at recovering and using the recovered energy.
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Thanks for sharing! Can you see the average electric consumption (kwh/km)? That’s for me the key factor. If the car does 20kwh/100km at 110km/h, with an effective onboard 10khw battery you have for 50km at 110km/h. An E-tron does approx 25kwh/100km but a Model 3 16-17.

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Sorry for not posting before, I forgot to take the picture when I arrived, but here you have a rough idea a couple of days later (I'll make sure I check it when I get back tomorrow night and post again).

I looked at the numbers when I had driven about 80% of the total trip, and the fuel economy was about 17Km/l, with the car fully charged before starting the trip, and with about 15Kms. left of range. The battery was depleted when I completed the trip though, but the car saved it for when I was in the city.

The average speed was above 100Km/H. I drove about 90% of the trip at between 100 to ~120Km/H.

You can see in the picture below that even after a few trips around town the average speed is pretty high. The car also is very good at recovering and using the recovered energy.
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Thanks for sharing! Can you see the average electric consumption (kwh/km)? That’s for me the key factor. If the car does 20kwh/100km at 110km/h, with an effective onboard 10khw battery you have for 50km at 110km/h. An E-tron does approx 25kwh/100km but a Model 3 16-17.
I don't think the car reports that info anywhere. If someone knows how to get it, I'd be happy to look it up for you.
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Sorry for not posting before, I forgot to take the picture when I arrived, but here you have a rough idea a couple of days later (I'll make sure I check it when I get back tomorrow night and post again).

I looked at the numbers when I had driven about 80% of the total trip, and the fuel economy was about 17Km/l, with the car fully charged before starting the trip, and with about 15Kms. left of range. The battery was depleted when I completed the trip though, but the car saved it for when I was in the city.

The average speed was above 100Km/H. I drove about 90% of the trip at between 100 to ~120Km/H.

You can see in the picture below that even after a few trips around town the average speed is pretty high. The car also is very good at recovering and using the recovered energy.
So I think I will be expecting about 6.5-7 l/100km. Seems fine to me, thanks
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So I think I will be expecting about 6.5-7 l/100km. Seems fine to me, thanks
Hi,
I have a similiar car.
It all depends on the route, but I get 200km - 6.5 l/100 on 50% national road + 50% AE, starting with a 100% battery.

I charged my car 5 times and drove 1300km and am averaging 6.6l/100.

If you can, pass the Corporate Edition and get a "Pack M" (BMW is offering it for 3 series) and add the "Park Assistant".
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Hi,
I have a similiar car.
It all depends on the route, but I get 200km - 6.5 l/100 on 50% national road + 50% AE, starting with a 100% battery.

I charged my car 5 times and drove 1300km and am averaging 6.6l/100.

If you can, pass the Corporate Edition and get a "Pack M" (BMW is offering it for 3 series) and add the "Park Assistant".
The trip I will be taking os 95% highway, 350km each way monthly. I know it won't be as economical as a 320d on the highway, but the rest of the days I will be doing @50km daily city driving, and I can (for now) charge thr batteries for free.

Yeah, I really can't go for the M sport or any other extra, it's corporate edition as is (can choose the metalic paint color, went for black) or I lose the €12k discount and if the car goes over 35000 the company is penalized in other taxes. Just parking sensors is fine, I've been driving a car with no sensors for 5 years now with no problem parking, so I will be fine
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I don't think the car reports that info anywhere. If someone knows how to get it, I'd be happy to look it up for you.
Thank you eddiehaug. It’s a pity that info is not shown. I will calculate it on my own when I have mine on my garage
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I started with a fully charged battery, and finished the trip with 21% left. Most of the driving over 100Km/H. Everything else is in the picture.

A few other things I learned today:

The autonomous driving works pretty well, including at high speeds, with rain, and in the dark, even with all three factors together.

In some countries the onboard tech works really well, and in other is limited. In my case, it worked really well in Denmark but just partially in Sweeden and Norway, in that order. I wonder what makes the difference, could it be the map provider?
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