[DB_Cooper]

Not sure if anyone here listens to the Carmudgein podcast but the latest Episode has a lot of references to the G80 M3 and other sports sedans that compete with the Tesla model model 3 performance, the main topic of the latest episode (they love the Tesla btw). Link to the YouTube channel.

https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?feature=shared

[bri1042]

Yes, several of us had our say about it in the thread in the vs. section:

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2099598

[M4Lou]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

Not sure if anyone here listens to the Carmudgein podcast but the latest Episode has a lot of references to the G80 M3 and other sports sedans that compete with the Tesla model model 3 performance, the main topic of the latest episode (they love the Tesla btw). Link to the YouTube channel.

https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?feature=shared

Yeah - I got in about 10seconds to where they clap hands and realized I was about to burn 5-10 minutes of life that I couldn't get back.

[SwankPeRFection]

It’s maxed and ceiling fixed out the box. The M3/M4 has an untapped ceiling from a tuning perspective that more than makes up any “invented” negative these guys thing it has. Buy a used M3 or M4 with xdrive for like 68k and with a simple CSL ECU/TCU tune using factory calibrations at that, it bests this Tesla easily on the performance aspect… and that’s only like the most basic of mods/changes. Only “out the box” purchasers with zero clue to true untapped potential would ever make such a comparison. 🙄

[PVC]

Originally Posted by M4Lou

Yeah - I got in about 10seconds to where they clap hands and realized I was about to burn 5-10 minutes of life that I couldn't get back.

yeah, I am not sure why anyone would watch or listen to these two super boring dudes. Couldn't watch more than 10 seconds.

[astroricardo]

Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection

Buy a used M3 or M4 with xdrive for like 68k 🙄

68k? maybe if it has 50k miles. Not yet anyway

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by astroricardo

68k? maybe if it has 50k miles. Not yet anyway

Around 25-30k miles, which for a car like this is nothing if the previous owner serviced it properly and didn’t idle it for hours at the kid’s soccer meets. Convertible ones are around 68k, coupes are around 72-74k, but that’s non-negotiated prices and you can certainly knock it down. It doesn’t need to be racked full of options. Laser lights, M Drive Pro necessary. Carbon buckets and cameras are nice extras. Nothing else needed. Flash CSL calibrations on it and you’ve got a bulletproof car that looks better, sounds better and will bring you way more smiles than the Tesla by a BIG margin. And then, if you get bored, you can up the flash to more power with a single click to Stage 1 which is more than the CSL calibration on the DME or do Stage 2 with downpipes and really enjoy the car even more. That’s the problem with Teslas… you can’t get anything more out of them beyond what they come with and they’re not really good for much outside of the quick jaunts to speed. But hey, this is just my opinion and what I’d go for.

[Diesel power]

Anybody who thinks a M3 and Tesla Model 3 are even in the same category are missing the point of a sports car by a pretty wide margin. 0-60 and even more broadly things like peak grip do not define a car or the experience of driving it.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by Diesel power

Anybody who thinks a M3 and Tesla Model 3 are even in the same category are missing the point of a sports car by a pretty wide margin. 0-60 and even more broadly things like peak grip do not define a car or the experience of driving it.

Someone who thinks an M3 is a sports car is perhaps missing an even bigger point.

Jason's points are absolutely valid: Unless a car offers a purist's driving experience, it might as well be an NPC car. Anything in between is far too compromised.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by FC4

Someone who thinks an M3 is a sports car is perhaps missing an even bigger point.

Jason's points are absolutely valid: Unless a car offers a purist's driving experience, it might as well be an NPC car. Anything in between is far too compromised.

Huh? I can't tell if you're serious. The entire car industry is based on the "in between" that shouldn't exist according to Jason. Porsche's portfolio should consist of the base Taycan and the GT3 RS?

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[NoSuchSol]

Don't care... I enjoy what I enjoy.

All aside, both cars have their place. We all love comparisons but at the end of the day just get what you like, what you can afford and enjoy it. *shrug*

[FC4]

Originally Posted by mirob

Huh? I can't tell if you're serious. The entire car industry is based on the "in between" that shouldn't exist according to Jason. Porsche's portfolio should consist of the base Taycan and the GT3 RS?

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

More like base Taycan and 911 S/T. The RS is auto-only and shit to drive on the street.

I said it's a valid point...not that I agree completely.

My wife feels exactly the same way. To her, the G80 M3 even with a manual feels like an absolute NPC car. I'm sure for many of you it's the most exciting car you've ever driven, but she gets zero driving enjoyment out of it. It's a dog-hauler and daily runabout that weighs almost 4000 lbs. She much prefers sub-3000 lb. NA cars with hydraulic steering and no touch screens. Bonus points if it has cable throttle. She felt the same about her Mac GT, but was even more bored of it because it had paddles.

The issue with that is the purist's experience simply no longer exists, so you have to take what's on the market.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by FC4

More like base Taycan and 911 S/T. The RS is auto-only and shit to drive on the street.

I said it's a valid point...not that I agree completely.

My wife feels exactly the same way. To her, the G80 M3 even with a manual feels like an absolute NPC car. I'm sure for many of you it's the most exciting car you've ever driven, but she gets zero driving enjoyment out of it. It's a dog-hauler and daily runabout that weighs almost 4000 lbs. She much prefers sub-3000 lb. NA cars with hydraulic steering and no touch screens. Bonus points if it has cable throttle. She felt the same about her Mac GT, but was even more bored of it because it had paddles.

The issue with that is the purist's experience simply no longer exists, so you have to take what's on the market.

Hmm. Very interesting. I think we have different definitions of exciting. I have an E36 M3 that serves as my work beater. It drives well but does not excite me in the least. Different strokes...

[FC4]

Originally Posted by mirob

Hmm. Very interesting. I think we have different definitions of exciting. I have an E36 M3 that serves as my work beater. It drives well but does not excite me in the least. Different strokes...

Exactly. Great example. There are many, many people who will get far more joy from the driving experience in an E36 M3 vs. G80. Without question.

[fl1by]

Originally Posted by FC4

Someone who thinks an M3 is a sports car is perhaps missing an even bigger point.

Jason's points are absolutely valid: Unless a car offers a purist's driving experience, it might as well be an NPC car. Anything in between is far too compromised.

Oh, like a Miata that's manual and no roof. The basic raw sports car.

[Alvinmark12]

I have a Tesla 3 2024 from work. Yeah is fast otherwise it's a golf cart with a iPad. My wife calls it the car by Ikea. The BMW is thousand times better and a lot more fun to drive. Only someone who knows nothing about cars. Would think the Tesla is better.

[SwankPeRFection]

I think we all probably need to agree a good bit of everyone’s opinion here is also based on how much money they have to throw at stuff. The Porsche/McLaren guy isn’t going to think anything of the BMW just like the Tesla guys on the podcast think their 60k car with the same letter and number in the name is much better than the 100k+ M cars they complained were too expensive. Well, gee, maybe learn to option out an M the right way and it won’t be over 100k. 🙄 It’s all relative…

[Chrono9084]

Ask them how their Tesla stock is doing, lol.

[HiFi]

Jason Camisa has become so sour grapes now in every podcast - it sounds like he should really move away from car jounalism as he pretty much hates everything thats been made the last 3 years...

[Diesel power]

Originally Posted by FC4

Someone who thinks an M3 is a sports car is perhaps missing an even bigger point.

Jason's points are absolutely valid: Unless a car offers a purist's driving experience, it might as well be an NPC car. Anything in between is far too compromised.

You are correct in that I should have said "Sports Sedan" instead of "Sports Car". Your larger point is irrelevant as your definition of sports car is essentially not in production any longer, and the few that are are either much less useful as a daily driver or in an entirely different price category. It's a fair criticism that generally todays cars are too heavy and not visceral enough, but when you mention it in a conversation regarding an M3 and a Tesla it seems absurd to act like those cars don't have entirely different user experiences and mission statements. The biggest news in Tesla world is that Elon is getting close to unleashing DRIVERLESS versions of Model 3's.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by FC4

Jason's points are absolutely valid: Unless a car offers a purist's driving experience, it might as well be an NPC car. Anything in between is far too compromised.

I don't think he has a valid point at all. By simply choosing the performance version of a model 3 or an M3, it's clear you'd be trying to differentiate the experience from an NPC car. If anything in between an NPC car and a purist sports car is far too compromised, why not go with a base model 3 or a 330i? His "point" is a complete logical mess. If an M3 according to you is an "absolute NPC car" and you/your wife get zero driving enjoyment out of it, why in the hell would you spend the money on one over a 330i? Folks in the g20 forum would argue the 330i is the better daily anyway.

I think Cammisa has slowly turned into a contrarian for the sake of garnering more views. So he'll routinely say things that would "make headlines" and get people discussing (case in point, this thread). His ICON videos and drag race videos are entertaining to watch, but I don't take much of what he says very seriously.

[ASAP]

A G80 and a tesla model 3 are probably closer in comparison than they've ever been before.

The tesla is probably a bit more impressive with the instant ev thrust, instant throttle response and the low CG.

The M3 still has the interior advantage, build quality, sound and the feeling of a transmission and ICE engine. It also can definitively go around a track quite a few more times than the M3.

I DO think that the 2 cars ARE closer than they've ever been before... after driving both... i would not classify either AS particularly exciting or involving. They are both heavy, can be had in AWD, don't have the best steering and we've probably reached a point where folks would cross shop these (something that was unfathomable in the past). I think to an average layman - the Tesla will probably be more impressive given the isntant torque vs the S58 lack of immediate down low thrust.

I think in the past, it was way different because the F80 M3 was a rwd only, bespoke DCT or manual vehicle that was very wild... the G80 is far more of a GT... which is really kind of what a Tesla model 3 is.