[Firaxis]

Originally Posted by Benjamin_Nicholas

$6k that was covered under warranty. Where's the problem?

This is not a Kia: It's a German-made BMW. There are always higher costs involved with owning a more expensive vehicle.

Umm my Kia Stinger GTS cost the exact same as an M340i after discounts so..

[JDUNITNOW]

I have never owned a new BMW ever. always purchased CPO except for the 14 x5 I have now and a 11 335 vert. I have owned about 13 BMW'S and am lurking around on this board until I purchase again. I am really considering new this time and am selling my 7 series. I had my mind set on a M340i but recently started pricing 18 or 19 M5.

[M40i4me]

Originally Posted by NewM3driver

These cars are best leased. It is under warranty when you own it. Never have to worry. About two and a half years in the love affair is over and you get to go trade her in for something new, fresh and sexy... Imagine if other things in life worked like that....

Guess I am the odd man out as I always buy and keep 10 years! My 2011 has 184,750 miles on her and rides and runs as good as new. Only issues were the normal oil filter housing and valve cover leak all fixed. My oil pan slightly seeps, but not enough to worry about it at this time. Yes I still love it, and a G20 340 or Z4 will be my next car. I spoiled my wife with a fully loaded 2020 X5 with 4100 trouble free miles so far, and we absolutely love it, and have no doubt the feeling will stay for the next 10 years!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Benjamin_Nicholas

$6k that was covered under warranty. Where's the problem?

This is not a Kia: It's a German-made BMW. There are always higher costs involved with owning a more expensive vehicle.

If you wanted less risk, you would have leased, however this model is not currently known for being problematic.

As for 'that's a kid response,' no it's not. It's can also be the response of someone who's got the money to lease how they like. I own several cars (as listed in my sig) and lease this M340i. I will have it two years and then figure out what BMW has as their latest & greatest toy car.

I can afford to do that. Full stop.

Youre right its not a Kia. The stinger drives better.

I had an M340i on order and ended up picking up a Genesis G70 Sport this week because it had so much better feel and cost 20k less. Not to mention it looks better.

Winning.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Youre right its not a Kia. The stinger drives better.

I had an M340i on order and ended up picking up a Genesis G70 Sport this week because it had so much better feel and cost 20k less. Not to mention it looks better.

Winning.

Steering feel is about the only thing the G70 does better than the M340i, and looks are subjective so... I never liked the look of the G70 (the refresh on the other hand looks quite nice).

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Youre right its not a Kia. The stinger drives better.

I had an M340i on order and ended up picking up a Genesis G70 Sport this week because it had so much better feel and cost 20k less. Not to mention it looks better.

Winning.

Not sure if I'm missing something but aren't they somewhat similarly priced? The 3.3 G70 Sport is around 54K, and thats without wheels since I couldn't find the option. I do love the look of the G70 though, I think they really did a great job with that design.

[Firaxis]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Steering feel is about the only thing the G70 does better than the M340i, and looks are subjective so... I never liked the look of the G70 (the refresh on the other hand looks quite nice).

Can't speak for the G70 as we can't buy them but let's face it BMW have struggled since the F gen with suspension and steering. Whilst the G20 is markedly improved that same ol' BMW style setup is behind a few competitors including this particular Kia Stinger GTS 3.3 V6 Auto.

The Kia has IMO better low / mid delivery which as a road car translates to more useable scenario's. It has more kit as standard, a far better stereo, logical setup modes (like smart), their ICE works properly and in terms of reliability / warranty if one does decide to buy long term then Kia's in front. Also I couldn't tell the difference between their ISG and a ZF 8AT (apparently they've fixed a few things on later models).

Whilst flashier the G20 does feel rather cheap in areas for the premium they're asking, tax for the KIA is cheaper over here and resale values are better adjusting GMFV therefore making leases far more palatable.

Then again in my subjective opinion this is where the M340i wins, if you want AWD over here well you're outta luck (I don't but many seem to like or need it), fuel economy is very much lacking comparatively (if that's an actual issue on an expensive 350+ HP car), it's a big car and weighs another 100KG's over the BMW (that's for RWD, the AWD must be a bit of a whale).

They have obviously engineered it to try and defy the laws of physics, whilst impressive in delivery you can't actually defy physics.. So, it does feel nimble yet very heavy (oxymoron I know but the sensation is there).

The 6K servicing schedule pretty much makes it a no go for long distance drivers, the rear window is really just for show and I won't deny it as a package I think the BMW is more aesthetically pleasing (even if the KIA looks mean from the side / back).. Although it could be worse (4 series)..

Ultimately they are both stunning cars, not perfect (no car is) and it is a matter of nit picking opinion.. I seriously wouldn't write either off.! I just preferred the Kia, we need two cars so I still picked up a G20 330i as nothing besides BMW and a single Kia was worth shouting about.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Firaxis

Can't speak for the G70 as we can't buy them but let's face it BMW have struggled since the F gen with suspension and steering. Whilst the G20 is markedly improved that same ol' BMW style setup is behind a few competitors including this particular Kia Stinger GTS 3.3 V6 Auto.

The Kia has IMO better low / mid delivery which as a road car translates to more useable scenario's. It has more kit as standard, a far better stereo, logical setup modes (like smart), their ICE works properly and in terms of reliability / warranty if one does decide to buy long term then Kia's in front. Also I couldn't tell the difference between their ISG and a ZF 8AT (apparently they've fixed a few things on later models).

Whilst flashier the G20 does feel rather cheap in areas for the premium they're asking, tax for the KIA is cheaper over here and resale values are better adjusting GMFV therefore making leases far more palatable.

Then again in my subjective opinion this is where the M340i wins, if you want AWD over here well you're outta luck (I don't but many seem to like or need it), fuel economy is very much lacking comparatively (if that's an actual issue on an expensive 350+ HP car), it's a big car and weighs another 100KG's over the BMW (that's for RWD, the AWD must be a bit of a whale).

They have obviously engineered it to try and defy the laws of physics, whilst impressive in delivery you can't actually defy physics.. So, it does feel nimble yet very heavy (oxymoron I know but the sensation is there).

The 6K servicing schedule pretty much makes it a no go for long distance drivers, the rear window is really just for show and I won't deny it as a package I think the BMW is more aesthetically pleasing (even if the KIA looks mean from the side / back).. Although it could be worse (4 series)..

Ultimately they are both stunning cars, not perfect (no car is) and it is a matter of nit picking opinion.. I seriously wouldn't write either off.! I just preferred the Kia, we need two cars so I still picked up a G20 330i as nothing besides BMW and a single Kia was worth shouting about.

Have you actually driven the M340i? I have driven several Stinger GTs (my friend owns one) and it is not have better low end power delivery...heck my Audi S5 felt more lively and it suffered from the same thing the Stinger does, which is throttle lag. This and turbo lag are near non-existent on the M340i. And you think the Stinger handles better than the M340i? Again, you need to drive them back to back. I will say, same as the G70, the steering feel is better but not great for an EPS rack (similar to an Audi in my opinion - light, a little dead off center, but fairly precise).

[Firaxis]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Have you actually driven the M340i? I have driven several Stinger GTs (my friend owns one) and it is not have better low end power delivery...heck my Audi S5 felt more lively and it suffered from the same thing the Stinger does, which is throttle lag. This and turbo lag are near non-existent on the M340i. And you think the Stinger handles better than the M340i? Again, you need to drive them back to back. I will say, same as the G70, the steering feel is better but not great for an EPS rack (similar to an Audi in my opinion - light, a little dead off center, but fairly precise).

I owned an F30 340i (MPPSK) and driven about four M340i's, as I said there were some transmission software updates, modified exhaust and tech updates etc. on the 2019 model. Mine is brand new, 2020 (got it a week ago) so I'm not sure if that means anything to your experiences..

I'll tell you now though the GTS 3.3 V6 ISG auto has ZERO lag at any pace. The whole point of a twin turbo is to remove turbo lag so is there something wrong with your friends car?! Mine is on the boil constantly, a slip blip of the throttle and the back end wants to swing out.

The suspension is firm but never crashy enabling travel over our crappy roads without upsetting progression. Also the steering is light but there are no dead spots.! Don't get me wrong the Jag XE on a dual wishbone suspension setup I had previously would run rings around both of them in the handling department.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Firaxis

I owned an F30 340i (MPPSK) and driven about four M340i's, as I said there were some transmission software updates, modified exhaust and tech updates etc. on the 2019 model. Mine is brand new, 2020 (got it a week ago) so I'm not sure if that means anything to your experiences..

I'll tell you now though the GTS 3.3 V6 ISG auto has ZERO lag at any pace. The whole point of a twin turbo is to remove turbo lag so is there something wrong with your friends car?! Mine is on the boil constantly, a slip blip of the throttle and the back end wants to swing out.

The suspension is firm but never crashy enabling travel over our crappy roads without upsetting progression. Also the steering is light but there are no dead spots.! Don't get me wrong the Jag XE on a dual wishbone suspension setup I had previously would run rings around both of them in the handling department.

I actually drove a 2020 Stinger two weeks ago. There is throttle lag off the line just like the Audi S4/S5. Not as much but it's there. There is no way if you've driven four different M340i's that you can say it's not quicker in every respect (off the line, mid range, top end, and transmission tuning...the ZF is simply faster shifting and smoother). The Stinger is great, but again in my opinion it does not do anything better than the M340i other than steering feel and obviously practicality. Look at any track comparisons, drag times, etc and they all confirm it.

[VipinLJ]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I actually drove a 2020 Stinger two weeks ago. There is throttle lag off the line just like the Audi S4/S5. Not as much but it's there. There is no way if you've driven four different M340i's that you can say it's not quicker in every respect (off the line, mid range, top end, and transmission tuning...the ZF is simply faster shifting and smoother). The Stinger is great, but again in my opinion it does not do anything better than the M340i other than steering feel and obviously practicality. Look at any track comparisons, drag times, etc and they all confirm it.

I've driven the stinger and g70 and there definitely was lag in both cars. The M340i cannot be compared to the stinger. Its a much better car in every aspect. The B58 engine feels linear compared to the 3.3T engine.

[Firaxis]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I actually drove a 2020 Stinger two weeks ago. There is throttle lag off the line just like the Audi S4/S5. Not as much but it's there. There is no way if you've driven four different M340i's that you can say it's not quicker in every respect (off the line, mid range, top end, and transmission tuning...the ZF is simply faster shifting and smoother). The Stinger is great, but again in my opinion it does not do anything better than the M340i other than steering feel and obviously practicality. Look at any track comparisons, drag times, etc and they all confirm it.

Only ever driven an Audi Q3 so I wouldn't really know, looks like we'll agree to disagree. UK spec M340i is 374HP / 369 lb ft torque and the Kia is 361HP / 376 lb ft torque.

You're acting like the M340i has another 100HP on top of it, I honestly could not tell the difference between any ZF and ISG, I've owned an M140i, 335d, 330d, 340i and a G20 330i so I'm fairy used to them. Anyway, you're not going to change my opinion and vice versa so I'll just wish you well with your M340i..

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by VipinLJ

I've driven the stinger and g70 and there definitely was lag in both cars. The M340i cannot be compared to the stinger. Its a much better car in every aspect. The B58 engine feels linear compared to the 3.3T engine.

Exactly. There is lag (not a ton but it's there for sure). The Stinger and G70 felt like the Audi S4/5 was there benchmark and they did well, but the M340i outpaces it in almost every respect.

[EXE46]

M340 is the better drivers car versus the Kia. Better brakes, better transmission and significantly faster despite what it says on paper. G70 is the better drivers car than the Stinger and the only advantage G70 has over M340i is the slightly better steering response. M340i still kills it in performance so not sure how Kia Stinger is on par with an M340i.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by EXE46

M340 is the better drivers car versus the Kia. Better brakes, better transmission and significantly faster despite what it says on paper. G70 is the better drivers car than the Stinger and the only advantage G70 has over M340i is the slightly better steering response. M340i still kills it in performance so not sure how Kia Stinger is on par with an M340i.

I'm not sure where you get that the M340i is a better drivers car. By performance are you only talking straight line speed? The M340 is a tiny bit faster in a straight line. The G70 feels like it handles better, has better response, and less body roll. So for all around performance Ill take my new G70. I guess thats apparent cause I just bought it over an M340...

Ill probably only have it a year or so until I get a G80 M3.

[EXE46]

There are tangible data out there that refutes your claim. M340i will always pull the faster lap time against the G70, not to mention the Kia. Enjoy your car no need to bad mouth ours you don't see us on Kia forums talking trash. There is no metric with tangible data showing the G70 or the stinger is superior to the M340i. Nada, zilch, on the contrary even YouTube refutes your claim regarding performance stats.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by sikotic

Not sure if I'm missing something but aren't they somewhat similarly priced? The 3.3 G70 Sport is around 54K, and thats without wheels since I couldn't find the option. I do love the look of the G70 though, I think they really did a great job with that design.

Got a great deal on the G70 which was $53k MSRP @ 20% off and my M340i order was $66k MSRP @ 10%.

G70 $42k
M340i $59k

So $17k difference not $20k. My bad.

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Got a great deal on the G70 which was $53k MSRP @ 20% off and my M340i order was $66k MSRP @ 10%.

G70 $42k
M340i $59k

So $17k difference not $20k. My bad.

That's a steal!! Enjoy it in good health

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by EXE46

There are tangible data out there that refutes your claim. M340i will always pull the faster lap time against the G70, not to mention the Kia. Enjoy your car no need to bad mouth ours you don't see us on Kia forums talking trash. There is no metric with tangible data showing the G70 or the stinger is superior to the M340i. Nada, zilch, on the contrary even YouTube refutes your claim regarding performance stats.

Just read the C&D article. Which is the one I assume you are referring to as you pretty much echo it.

As I said above the M340i is faster no denying that. The G70 just feels better to me. I like feedback. Pretty sure they kinda said the same thing?

And sorry man not trying to poo on your car. Its a fine car I just wanted most of its capabilities for cheaper cost.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Just read the C&D article. Which is the one I assume you are referring to as you pretty much echo it.

As I said above the M340i is faster no denying that. The G70 just feels better to me. I like feedback. Pretty sure they kinda said the same thing?

And sorry man not trying to poo on your car. Its a fine car I just wanted most of its capabilities for cheaper cost.

Nobody is going to come to a consensus on which is "better" when they actually own or the other. I've owned and/or driven fairly extensively everything in this class. I can objectively (although still subjective to some of you) say, that the M340i is the more capable all around vehicle (take price out of the equation). It's great that the G70 feels better to you, it certainly did not feel better to me. In fact I actually liked the drive of the Stinger better...seemed more playful. That being said, I found the G70/Stinger to come in 4th in my rankings (overall). I obviously liked the M340i best, second came the C43. I was very close to buying the C43 if not for it's very harsh ride. 3rd I would put the Audi S4/S5 with the G70/Stinger CLOSE behind. Alfa Giulia Ti and Lexus IS350 rounding it out. Again, MY opinion.

[EXE46]

Not just C&D , for example, look at trackday tv times for M340i and Kia. Again many tangible sources with legit lap times that will tell you the M340i capability.

[Bris-M340i]

Totally agree with Burrcold and Exe46. I had a G70 for 4 days and it was a fantastic car. I loved the looks too. I thought I was going to buy it and then I drove the M340. To me it was a far better car in almost every way. I noticed almost immediately and it had to be much better as after discounts I paid Aud 30k more for it than the G70. I am no badge snob, if the G70 was closer to the M340 I would have bought it.