[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

All brands this is happening. 992 looks absolutely massive, 991 looks much bigger than 997, etc.... If you want a smaller coupe, get the current M2 IMO.

The baby M will continue to grow. My 1M parked next to an M2 looks small, I have a feeling the same thing will happen when comparing the current F87 to the upcoming G87.

For a sedan, I do not mind the increase in size on the G80, because it is becoming a baby M5 and I have 3 kids and it is not a coupe, so the extra size provides good practicality, but if on a back road just for fun give me a small coupe every time.

While size is one thing, weight is more significant. The M2 is smaller but weighs the same as the M3/4 by and large, if not heavier in certain cases. Same the for 992, it is still 200-300 lbs lighter than an M2/3/4 which is significantly.

The M5 is now the size of a 7 series of years ago so it only makes sense that the M3 starts to fill in more of the old M5 size. I would guess with the added size, addition of AWD, the ZF slush box, new particulate filters and tech that the M3 will be pushing 4000 lbs.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by solstice

I doubt it will be that light but the M boss said it will be the fastest street car there is...I suspect he was caught up in the moment and likely regret those words but hey sounds like it will rip

Was that actually said? It seems highly unlikely that a 503 hp car that weighs about 2 tons will be anywhere as fast as some of the absurdly fast cars out there right now. 720S is like a 9.9 stock car, turbo S is like 10.1, Pista is 10.5, Taycan turbo is 10.5 and the turbo S 10.3, a a Tesla S is 10.6, even a Carrera 4S runs 11.1, a Tesla M3P is 11.3. Seems more like extreme hyperbole but given how underrated these cars are from BMW it should move.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Was that actually said? It seems highly unlikely that a 503 hp car that weighs about 2 tons will be anywhere as fast as some of the absurdly fast cars out there right now. 720S is like a 9.9 stock car, turbo S is like 10.1, Pista is 10.5, Taycan turbo is 10.5 and the turbo S 10.3, a a Tesla S is 10.6, even a Carrera 4S runs 11.1, a Tesla M3P is 11.3. Seems more like extreme hyperbole but given how underrated these cars are from BMW it should move.

Yes it was said...listen to the video under all the pictures in the intro post to the GT3 car launch thread...as I said I think he was caught up in the moment and likely regret it. However I still take it as that the car is REALLY fast compared to the current one.

As for the cars you list, I think the Tesla and P-cars qualify as everyday cars but not the Macca and Fezza.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by solstice

Yes it was said...listen to the video under all the pictures in the intro post to the GT3 car launch thread...as I said I think he was caught up in the moment and likely regret it. However I still take it as that the car is REALLY fast compared to the current one.

I just watched. I think he was saying just that it will be the fastest M4 but definitely not anywhere close to any of the really fast stuff out there. Will just have to see. I’m speculating low 11s in the 1/4 mile.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I just watched. I think he was saying just that it will be the fastest M4 but definitely not anywhere close to any of the really fast stuff out there. Will just have to see. I’m speculating low 11s in the 1/4 mile.

I think he wasn’t thinking clearly but he wouldn’t have said the fastest “everyday car” there is if he only meant M4. That make zero sense.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by solstice

I think he wasn't thinking clearly but he wouldn't have said the fastest "everyday car" there is if he only meant M4. That make zero sense.

More to do with lap-time than straight-line. There's also the 600ps remark (M4 CSL).

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by solstice

I think he wasn’t thinking clearly but he wouldn’t have said the fastest “everyday car” there is if he only meant M4. That make zero sense.

Certainly sounds like there is a caveat or two, or some nuances on how he said it.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by lemetier

More to do with lap-time than straight-line. There's also the 600ps remark (M4 CSL).

Since I’m pretty sure you know the lap time on some circuits I take your comment as even more promising

The CSL sounds bonkers.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Certainly sounds like there is a caveat or two, or some nuances on how he said it.

0-60 (+/- 0.1) RWD

Base 6MT: 3.5
Comp 8AT: 3.1

[solstice]

Originally Posted by lemetier

0-60 (+/- 0.1) RWD

Base 6MT: 3.5
Comp 8AT: 3.1

RWD 3.1!? Hoooooooly....sh..

[Wills2]

The MZF8 xdrive M3 will be over 4000lbs, if you look at the Alpina xdrive B3 with the S58 it's (1860kg) 4092lbs, I doubt the M3 with enlarged body work and wider track will be lighter so maybe closer to (1900kg) 4200lbs.

I think the published 0-62 will be 3.6 or 3.5 in the US to 60.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Wills2

The MZF8 xdrive M3 will be over 4000lbs, if you look at the Alpina xdrive B3 with the S58 it's (1860kg) 4092lbs, I doubt the M3 with enlarged body work and wider track will be lighter so maybe closer to (1900kg) 4200lbs.

I think the published 0-62 will be 3.6 or 3.5 in the US to 60.

Target base weight for G8X M3/4 M xDrive is 1765kg, 1715kg RWD.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by solstice

RWD 3.1!? Hoooooooly....sh..

The "benchmark" is Jaguar XE SV Project 8.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Target base weight for G8X M3/4 M xDrive is 1765kg, 1715kg RWD.

AWD 3891 lbs
RWD 3780 lbs

That’s good numbers. Hopefully target was reached.

Originally Posted by lemetier

The "benchmark" is Jaguar XE SV Project 8.

So the AWD will be in the 2 seconds, that’s a crazy jump from the F8X. I can’t believe really how fast these cars are now. Sub 3s, nuts.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Target base weight for G8X M3/4 M xDrive is 1765kg, 1715kg RWD.

EU? As I was quoting that not DIN for the B3 if that is what you mean by base weight, if DIN which includes 90% fuel but excludes the 75kg for luggage and driver then it'll be 1840kg EU or 4048lbs before options.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Wills2

EU? As I was quoting that not DIN for the B3 if that is what you mean by base weight, if DIN which includes 90% fuel but excludes the 75kg for luggage and driver then it'll be 1840kg EU or 4048lbs before options.

Lotus Weight

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Target base weight for G8X M3/4 M xDrive is 1765kg, 1715kg RWD.

What about 6MT/RWD? Thanks.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

What about 6MT/RWD? Thanks.

Less than 1kg difference.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Less than 1kg difference.

Does the target weight include the sunroof?
Assuming a no option, base 6MT, with cloth, & smaller wheels would be lighter than the target weight?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Does the target weight include the sunroof?
Assuming a no option, base 6MT, with cloth, & smaller wheels would be lighter than the target weight?

The rules for weight changed. Manufacturers used to be able to quote the lightest possible configuration. Now weight has to be done with a standard configuration. So generally speaking quoted weight is not the lightest, nor the heaviest but somewhere in between.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by lemetier

The "benchmark" is Jaguar XE SV Project 8.

Does that target include not only the 3.3s 0-60 but also the 7:21 ring time...?

[m34m]

I find it rather amusing to listen to people talk about RWD vs AWD and the weight issue. This car is a big heavy bloated pig. At this point what difference does it make? Is anyone delusional enough to believe going for the 3800lb version rather than the 4000lb car means you're going for the "light" one?