[JTO24]

3.5 for RWD 6mt is good enough for me... I wonder with the new e-clutch tech there will be a legitimate launch control for the 6mt base cars.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by m34m

I find it rather amusing to listen to people talk about RWD vs AWD and the weight issue. This car is a big heavy bloated pig. At this point what difference does it make? Is anyone delusional enough to believe going for the 3800lb version rather than the 4000lb car means you're going for the "light" one?

Yea... I think once you start to cross that mid 3000 figure... you are dealing with an inherently heavy car... if this thing is 3750 in RWD... holy cow... I don't even know what to say.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Yea... I think once you start to cross that mid 3000 figure... you are dealing with an inherently heavy car... if this thing is 3750 in RWD... holy cow... I don't even know what to say.

100 lbs and some change heavier than the E9X and F8X (M4 MT listed at 3625 now).. No surprise really and how much this will impact the character of the car remain to be seen. Press drives sounded promising with even the base G8X was reported as more agile than the comp. F82 by some.

[yk36]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

No. It will be fast but not quick.

We describe powerful and laggy cars as fast.

We describe responsive and nimble cars as quick.

Fast is more about peak power, quick is how quickly you get there.

G80 will be fast.
G20 340i is quick.

This makes absolutely no sense. G80 will be both faster and quicker than G20. G20 nimble? What are talking about? Its a porker and handles like shit.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by solstice

RWD 3.1!? Hoooooooly....sh..

Anyone that's ever launched a RWD M car knows that isn't remotely realistic.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Anyone that's ever launched a RWD M car knows that isn't remotely realistic.

Taken into account that Cup 2 tires are now available for official figures I wouldn’t say impossible but it sounds extreme. But more important lemetier doesn’t seem like someone spewing marketing propaganda not anchored in knowledge/reality.

[Loma]

So if there's no MHEV at launch where do the added 200 kg compared to F80 come from? Can't be few inches here and there.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Loma

So if there's no MHEV at launch where do the added 200 kg compared to F80 come from? Cost cutting here and there.

Fixed it for you.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Loma

So if there's no MHEV at launch where do the added 200 kg compared to F80 come from? Can't be few inches here and there.

Which F80 weights are you using?

[Loma]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Which F80 weights are you using?

Those posted here: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=923203

Weight, unladen DIN/EU (kg): 1520/1595

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Loma

Those posted here: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=923203

Weight, unladen DIN/EU (kg): 1520/1595

Those are under the old loopholes (and even the newer PR weights are converted back based on the original TC).

Target Weight is not the minimum weight goal FYI.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Those are under the old loopholes (and even the newer PR weights are converted back based on the original TC).

Target Weight is not the minimum weight goal FYI.

OK, so is a 6MT base G80 ~ similar weight of 6MT base F80?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

OK, so is a 6MT base G80 ~ similar weight of 6MT base F80?

From numbers given in this thread the G80 is 3-4% heavier, you decide if that’s similar.

[Mako]

For those trying to calculate the 0-60 vs the X3M and thinking it will break 3.0, I don't see it happening because of the turbo lag.

X3MC
0-60 3.3 seconds
5-60 4.6 seconds

thats how much the turbo lags, should be in the low 4s (4.1-4.2)

despite the weight savings of the 3/4, that turbo lag will still be there on a street start, so you will be really disappointed at a stop light. I know, happens all the time to me, and I am not putting it in LC at every stop

miss my old M3, had a better street launch (4.2-4.3).
speaking of which I would be shocked if the new M3 beats the old one on 5-60 time, despite AWD and 60 more hp. All you are getting is better launched starts, so basically all marketing like Audi has always been (used to make fun of their 0-60 vs 5-60 times, now I am no longer laughing).

So can't switch to Audi (overpriced underperforming) and Mercedes is about to switch to a 4cyl hybrid for the next AMG

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Mako

For those trying to calculate the 0-60 vs the X3M and thinking it will break 3.0, I don't see it happening because of the turbo lag.

X3MC
0-60 3.3 seconds
5-60 4.6 seconds

thats how much the turbo lags, should be in the low 4s (4.1-4.2)

despite the weight savings of the 3/4, that turbo lag will still be there on a street start, so you will be really disappointed at a stop light. I know, happens all the time to me, and I am not putting it in LC at every stop

miss my old M3, had a better street launch (4.2-4.3).
speaking of which I would be shocked if the new M3 beats the old one on 5-60 time, despite AWD and 60 more hp. All you are getting is better launched starts, so basically all marketing like Audi has always been (used to make fun of their 0-60 vs 5-60 times, now I am no longer laughing).

So can't switch to Audi (overpriced underperforming) and Mercedes is about to switch to a 4cyl hybrid for the next AMG

Insiders have stated this S58 is not the same as that in the X3/X4. So we cannot say for sure it will behave the same at low revs with regards to turbo lag. I expect this version/tune of the motor to respond much better, with reduced turbo lag.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Mako

For those trying to calculate the 0-60 vs the X3M and thinking it will break 3.0, I don't see it happening because of the turbo lag.

X3MC
0-60 3.3 seconds
5-60 4.6 seconds

thats how much the turbo lags, should be in the low 4s (4.1-4.2)

despite the weight savings of the 3/4, that turbo lag will still be there on a street start, so you will be really disappointed at a stop light. I know, happens all the time to me, and I am not putting it in LC at every stop

miss my old M3, had a better street launch (4.2-4.3).
speaking of which I would be shocked if the new M3 beats the old one on 5-60 time, despite AWD and 60 more hp. All you are getting is better launched starts, so basically all marketing like Audi has always been (used to make fun of their 0-60 vs 5-60 times, now I am no longer laughing).

So can't switch to Audi (overpriced underperforming) and Mercedes is about to switch to a 4cyl hybrid for the next AMG

Porsche.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by m34m

I find it rather amusing to listen to people talk about RWD vs AWD and the weight issue. This car is a big heavy bloated pig. At this point what difference does it make? Is anyone delusional enough to believe going for the 3800lb version rather than the 4000lb car means you're going for the "light" one?

Stop giving BMW excuse to cut effort in weight reduction.

With identical S58 engine and the turbo lag, AWD is not going to help launch the car better without LC because AWD isn't needed for cars without low end torque. A 3600lbs RWD M4 will destroy a 4600lbs AWD X3M every single time without the launch control.

Hope this puts stoplight racers looking to buy RWD at ease.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by JTO24

Insiders have stated this S58 is not the same as that in the X3/X4. So we cannot say for sure it will behave the same at low revs with regards to turbo lag. I expect this version/tune of the motor to respond much better, with reduced turbo lag.

Going back to the X3M/X4M launch, some who attended early M events that mentioned this exact issue (the lag off the line) were told by Bmw reps that the motor was tuned for how an suv is expected to respond. That could be just hearsay.... but combine with inside info that this will not be the exact same motor variant. My expectation is different performance curves, only time (and press drives) will tell

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by m34m

I find it rather amusing to listen to people talk about RWD vs AWD and the weight issue. This car is a big heavy bloated pig. At this point what difference does it make? Is anyone delusional enough to believe going for the 3800lb version rather than the 4000lb car means you're going for the "light" one?

It means you have the less heavy one.

4000lb to 3800lb is still a significant difference. Anyone who has been to the track should know having a 200lb instructor is immediately felt cornering and braking very clearly.

No one would purposely choose to have a 200lb instructor in the car with them at all times.
At the same time, the M3 has always worked as a one-car quiver for someone who has to take their kids to school and also wants to go to the track.

For that person, the 3800lb version makes a lot more sense.


The weight of the G8X is a disappointment for sure, this is the biggest hurdle to me getting one as I intend to track it intensively like I've done with the E9X and F8X generation.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by solstice

G22 430i gains minimal weight on the F32 430i - good indications for the G82?

- The 2020 430i is listed at 3574 lbs.
- The 2021 430i is listed at 3578 lbs.

Caveat, the 2020 is bmwusa listed weight and 2021 is bimmerpost listed weight from press release.

Seems promising that the weight of basic platform and tech. that will go into the G82 seems no worse than what went into the F82.

I selected the 430i since the 2021 M440i is now a mild hybrid which might not be a good comparison to the 2020 440i of that reason.

What do you think?

bmwusa.com now have the G22 430i with apples to apples vs the F32 US curb weight. Guess what it is? Exactly 3578 lbs